<HTML>In a message dated 6/21/02 4:39:12 PM Central Daylight Time, JIMRPT@AOL.COM writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Tilt the boards toward the long end and let the plate slide slowly down...tie a rope or use a strap to control the rate of slide.... Jim Bryant (FL) </BLOCKQUOTE> So these 2x4's are long enough so that when you tilt them, the can reach the ground? About 10'? Do you stand in front of the plate, or stay behind it? Wim </HTML>