<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am also learning to tune aurally = using a Sanderson Accutner III to check my accuracy. My piano is a Yamaha 5'3" = grand which is well scaled, although some of the beats are  quite weak to = hear, and I have noticed a few false beats too. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also use the same Potter FA = temperament (I am doing his correspondence course) and use a similar procedure to what you = describe, although I also tune A440 to a fork by comparing the beat rate = of the fork and F3 with the note A4 and F3. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One thing I have done when tuning the = temperament is to tune each interval with the SAT and then listen to the beat rate = so I know what it should sound like, and also do the various test to hear how the = beat rate (such as speed of the major 3rds) gradually increases as you go = higher in pitch. I also tune each interval aurally and then check it with the SAT = as you do. Each way has it's benefits. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert Finley</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=a440@bresnan.net href="mailto:a440@bresnan.net">A440 = Piano Service</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">PTG List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 08, = 2006 8:21 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Using an ETD to hone = aural skills</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT = face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><PRE><FONT face="Eras Medium ITC" size=4>Hi = people,</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Eras Medium ITC" size=4>I'm = trying to hone my aural tuning skills and I've come up with a method... = </FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face="Eras Medium ITC" size=4>I'd like to = hear others' feedback on this particular method, </FONT><FONT = face="Eras Medium ITC" size=4>and about any other kinds of methods = you might recommend. Today I had a nice tuning in a quiet house. It was a Yamaha Grand, a C3 in good shape. So I took the opportunity to "keep score" on my aural tuning. I used Potter F-A II. What I did was: 1. Take F-A-C readings and let the SAT calculate a tuning. 2. Set the A4 with the machine. 3. Tune the temperament by ear from there. 4. Compare my note with the machine's calculation. 5. Write down how far off I was (in cents). 6. Re-tune with machine and go to the next note, lather, rinse and repeat. Here's my scorecard: A3: -.1 F3: -.2 F4: +.9 C#4: -.8 D4: dead on! A#3: -2.7, retried: -2.2. Found out D4 (where I was tuning the third from had drifted flat - gotta work on my stability!) F#3: -.5 D#4: dead on! B3: -2.8 (oops!) retry: dead on! G3: +.2 E4: -.4 C4: dead on! G#3: -.8 F#4: -.1 G4: dead on G#4: -.3 So howzzat? Not too bad, I'm thinking. My tendency looks to be that I tend to tune flat (slower beating), but I think I'll need a few more scorecards to make a statistical judgement. And I have to work on the stability thing, too, obviously. I get so caught up in the beat speeds that I lose track of that fundamental skill of setting the string and the pin. Are any of you doing practice things with your ETDs? How do you use = them?</FONT></PRE></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>