<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2715.400" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi, Isaac.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I submitted the question to Bosey & = Hawkes, who bought Buffet-Crampon, Besson and other brands of Brass = instruments.  Waiting for reply.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>By the way, I would soon like to ask = you some things about my Desfougères recovered hammers.  But I need to = fine regulate my action before.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Always reading you with interest on PTG.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stéphane Collin</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac = OLEG SIMANOT</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 08, 2002 = 11:52 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: 442 & = back</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Hello Stephane, Thanks for your answer.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Strangely, on the list some on my post are transparent !</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>I was thinking of 442 as a base pitch for the actual brass instruments = in Europ.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Where is it possible to check that ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=859015109-08052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Isaac OLEG</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> <A href="mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org">owner-pianotech@ptg.org</A> [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B> Stéphane Collin<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> mercredi 8 mai 2002 = 11:39<BR><B>À :</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: 442 & back<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Isaac.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I read in Wolfenden that the brass = instruments in orchestras are tuned to A 440 Hz, but they all have this ennoying = feature to dramatically raise pitch (up to A 444 Hz) during concert = performance, through warming up when played.  So A 442 Hz would have been = chosen to allow the whole performance (brass plus other more stable = instruments) to be reasonably in tune, or, so to say, half less out of = tune.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it so ?  (Wolfenden is = talking in beginning of this century, maybe brass instruments have evolved = since then).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Best regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stéphane Collin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Brussels, Belgium)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr = href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac OLEG SIMANOT</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 07, 2002 = 10:15 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: 442 & = back</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Hello, Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Even Yamaha pianos are build for the 442 pitch lately I guess,( I've read that on their guarantee card) so it = will not affect structure of the piano anyway.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>The fact is that everyone (musicians) here is asking for = "concert pitch" 442 as a standard.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Then, having to change pitch any direction is always a = hassle, when I have to do that for Radio France for example, I need to be = allowed to bring the piano to his desired pitch 2 days before the event, so = it can stabilize better. After that the pitch stay as it is since another = express demand comes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>On pianos with tensioned hammers, the difference in sound = is sensible, and easily accepted by the instrument I = believe, not that I don't like the 440 pitch, but I am more often dealing with = 442, and get acquaintance with it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Beside, if I sing a A by memory it is the 440 that I = learned in my younger days, and I am more close to it than to 442 (generally, I = know David will not believe me, but I recognize any note instinctually, = and have a good notion of A440 when not too tired)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>I wonder how high are your brass instruments tuned in USA = ? Not that I am sure of that, but I believe that most brass and = wind instruments in Europe are actually build to play at 442Hz .</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Any info from wind players ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>All the best</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Isaac OLEG</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=792235919-07052002></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De la = part de</B> Steve Kabat<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> mardi 7 mai 2002 19:49<BR><B>À :</B> = pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> 442 & back<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David- Obviously some educating = is in order, to try to instruct people who feel that a higher pitch is = needed. Other than that , I would: </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =     a. refuse to tune at a higher pitch, citing structural piano = reasons, tuning stability</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>            etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial = size=2>        b.  insist that they give a few days lead time so that the = piano can stabilize, and             refuse to do it if they dont.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =     c. charge them a lot of money extra for all the hassle you have to = endure so that         one group in a = million can have pitch set 2 cycles per second higher.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =     I'm sorry, but I have little tolerance for this coddling of artists = who mistake pitch </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =         for brilliance or timbre.  We as tuners = need to educate them and insist on a </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =         standard or else much much compensation for = our trouble.  I had a group </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =         from Germany come to my school - I think they = wanted 443 believe it or not, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =         and I broke the F# string above the = bass/tenor break for my troubles.  Yes. it </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =         does affect even a nine-foot concert grand.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    =         steve = kabat</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B= ODY></HTML>