<HTML>Hi Ric, Back in pre-convention days when I was getting 8,042,957 messages a day,= I admit to not having read each and every e-mail in the v-cap thread, so I = probably missed some key bits of information.  I aplogize in advance fo= r asking questions you've probably answered more than once. Where are you doing this experiment(s)? What kind of piano/action are you using? Thanks, Dave Stahl In a message dated 7/5/03 3:29:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Richard.Brek= ne@grieg.uib.no writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">First... you want to buy a = few small neodym magnets... you'll be amazed at the difference in power... l= ittle bitty things can push 50 grams no problem at 5 mm..... a neodym 40 mm = across and 10 mm thick can lift 50 kilos.... Anyways... as to your question.= Epoxy or CA glue. They recommend CA. For the whippens I countersunk the mag= nets and glued them. For the keys I am going to sink them (and glue) in a sm= all letoff button that has a drop screw inserted through. The drop screw wil= l then screw into the shank thats pinned to the key. For experiments tho.. t= he neodyms will stay put just on a steel screw, where as the kitchen magnets= probably wont. Order a few in the size range Ø3 - 5 mm diameter and 3 - 5= mm thickness and fool around with them. There are perhaps several ways of e= mploying these usefully in the action. One thing I heard suggested was to pu= t attracting magnets in both the capstan and whippen cushion to form more of= a solid coupling between those too... just a thought Cheers </BLOCKQUOTE> </HTML>