<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Agreed, but there is a big difference between having no problem and having a pitch raise so accurate that all it needs is a little touchup. Paul S. Larudee Richmond, CA DGPEAKE@AOL.COM wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I believe the overpull is 25% of the 2nd partial. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. (Jim, please pitch in). The SAT 3 is the same. I usually measure the lowest note of the plain wire, offset for pitch raise, and re-measure every octave or so.  I have no problems with doing a pitch raise using this method. Dave Peake, RPT Portland Chapter Oregon City, OR www.davespianoworks.locality.com</blockquote> </html>