<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7><FONT id=rol= e_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Having the dampers lift at let-off would definitely be too late.  What happens is when you change to lifting the damper when the hammer is, say, 2/3 of the way to the string is that it is closer to le= t off and feels more like a longer, contiguous bump, rather than two separate ones.  And as Dean noted, the fingers have more speed at the point where the key contacts the underlever.  Makes a big difference.</= DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can always try it on your action model...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll be doing the warranty tuning on the 1st piano I did this on--= some 6 months ago-- next week.  I'll give a report, and am fully prepared to= go become Tech Flambe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dave S.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:42:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ilvey@sbcglobal.net writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size= =2> <P>Certainly we can make "small" adjustments, but lifting at let-off = is a way to late for me...</P> <P><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, California<BR><BR><BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDE= R-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: Erwinspiano@aol.com<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Received: 1/19/2006 7:32:48 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Lighte= ning touch by changing damper timing redux<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0= 00000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV align=left> <STRONG><FONT size=3>   Richard</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  Please hear me & with all due respect.  I can feel that .</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>   Actually, IMHO,  an 1/8 th i= nch in damper lift timing can make a <U><FONT size=4>HUGE</FONT> </U> diff= erence in action feel especially with high ratio actions.  Frankly it doesnt= ' concern me what Seiler might think but rather my clients.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>   There is a sweet spot for ,most p= ianos, & when setting this up  I find it most often that spot to be= at half travel when the key aciton cycle is at it's most efficient & fric= tion free spot in  movement  Picking up the damper prematurely can increase the feel of touch weight or heavy touch syndrome dramatically on = some actions.   I'm always looking for the optimum sweet spot when setting up a custom balnced action so that I don't inadvertantly sabatoge = all that fiddlin & didlin I just went thru to create a <U>very fluid</U> action feel.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  Regards</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  DAle Erwin</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"= ><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 siz= e=2> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The damper timing I though= t was determined by the manufacturer.  When the key goes down it meets a couple of resistance points.  <FONT size=4><U>One, the end of the= key contacting the damper lift lever (but who can feel that?)</U></FONT> , a= nd two, the jack contacting the let off button. (which everybody can feel)  Since the contact between the key and damper lift lever is  w= hat, 1/8 inch leeway what difference does it really make?  The most important consideration is that dampers lift as a unit as the damper ped= al is depressed so that “half dampening” can be utilized. <= /SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can imagine asking any o= f the piano makers including Seiler who show up for the National Convention wh= ere they prefer the key to hit the damper lever and why.    ---ric   <A title=http://www.pnotec.com/ href="http://www.pnotec.com/">www.pnotec.com</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"= >Dave Stahl<BR><BR>Dave Stahl Piano Service<BR>650-224-3560<U><BR><A href="http://www.dstahlpiano.net/">http://dstahlpiano.net/</A></U></FONT><= /DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>