<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Andr'e, Sorry that is as close as my = computer knows how to put the    '    on.</DIV> <DIV>All I can really say is WOW. Nice = lookin' hammers.</DIV> <DIV>Is the taper of the molding graduated = in all of the upper hammers?</DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss <A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A> <A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=antares@euronet.nl = href="mailto:antares@euronet.nl">antares</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 = 3:38 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: The All new Hero = Hammers !!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Hi Dale, Thank you for your = understanding! This is exactly what I have tried to make clear many years ago. I guess the = time was not right so some people over there got mad and put me right back in = Europe, where I belong. This is the first time that you hit this nail right = on the head. You want to have a particular hammer? you go to this = particular hammer maker and you ask them to make it for you. We now have great = hammers, exactly the type of hammers we are very happy with. Here = is an example of a prototype Bechstein hammer L: <HR> <CENTER><IMG src="CID:{15D63585-974F-11D8-8202-D6FB47CE5152}/Bech = 1.jpg"></CENTER> <HR> These hammers do not exist on the market, they were = developed by us (Grand Piano) and they fulfill our wishes because of the extreme = thin treble molding and the latest and very finest Wurzen felt. If you look = at them with the eye of a voicing technician, you wan to eat them. What = I have always meant to say is this : You want something? then go for it! Friendly greetings, André Oorebeek On = 26-apr-04, at 2:00, Erwinspiano@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger>   Hi Joe & list<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial>      I got to thinking about the subject of hammer density after this = discussion & others privately & What I hear people saying is I don't = wan to needle till my elbow falls off including me is, & others = who say I want a hammer I don't have to lacquer. Lacquers just wrong or = whatever. We want a hammer that sounds great in every piano every time. NO = work, pouf, put em on & they let you be the hero. = Right!<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial> SO why = can't we get these kind of hammers?  Well, some times we can or at = least get close. It depends. The size of the soundboard & it's given = mechanical impedance, string scale, crown & bearing all contribute to = determine the amount of stiffness required in the hammer to create the optimal = kind of tone for that piano. I hear Ric saying, define optimal. Any way so = all the hammer makers can do is come close to some sort of middle road of = hammer felt density that gives a medium to work with that isn't giving us = fits to get the desired tonal result we all = want.<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial> SO for those who = like the Ronsen, Isaac, Stwy ish hammers we think why don't they = make them denser or why don't the Renner,yamaha-ish hammer makers ease up on = the pressure & heat so less needling is required. I think the answer = is because they don't want to. Each has there reason other than = economic & it's philosophical.<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial>  However we don't care about that, we want them to care about what we = want. I think Andre has the right idea & he has gone to the Renner = maker& asked for a type of hammer persistently until he's getting it'. = Bravo Andre.<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial>   = Now I understand  we can't buy your hammer Andre because of Renners = deal with Renner USA & Lloyd Meyer so the  American Techs = who want a hero hammer  need to ask Renner USA & Abel or whoever for a hammer which is made with less  pressure & heat & let the  felt breathe & spring =  more. Then we can needle a little or juice a little without detriment to = the integrity of the felt & the felt will be a more preserved & cooperative like felt spring not a cotton ball or  a = rock. For those of us who liek the product the way iot is then do = nothing.<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial>   IN fairness we must aske the non lacquer techs to Call on Isaac, Stwy = & Ronsen to use more pressure & heat so we have the same = situation  as the renner ish type felt. For those of us who like the product as = is then also do nothing<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial>  = Each company can still make there preferred style of hammer but have new = line of slightly denser or slightly not as dense hammers & = everyone can be a hero & the customer & the = tone qualiuty of music is the benificiary As well as our lungs & elbows!!!!!!!!!<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial>  If this idea has any merit please let me know. I'm willing to ask<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial>   = Dale Erwin<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial>Seriously I'm = right there with you.Thanks for the Rant. Makes no sense to me><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial> Dale<?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Dale,<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily>= <?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>If you'd have copied my whole quote, you'd know I said: " Some = Techs<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>use....." I don't personally see the need for that sort of = hammer<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>destruction. If a hammer needs the "30 jabs, deeply into the 3 to 7 = o'clock<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>area, for prevoicing, those hammers are crap and I won't use them. = If<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>someone has put a set of these "BBs" on a piano and I have to deal = with<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>them, it's STEAM/ALCOHOL-WATER OR GARBAGE CAN! The sooner we start = throwing<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>those rock hard hammers back at the manufacturers, or better yet, = quit<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>buying them, the sooner they'll wake up and smell the futility of = their<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>economics. The only damned reason they make these is because they can = make<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>multiple sets in a very short time and make a huge profit. Let us = all<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>support Hammer Makers like Ron Negron, (Ronsen Hammers) and tell the rest = to<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>put there hammers where it's the darkest! (I woke up on the wrong side = of<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>the bed this morning!<G>) End of = Rant!<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Regards,<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfami= ly><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Joe Garrett, RPT, = (Oregon)<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Captain, Tool Police<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Squares Are I<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily= ><?param = Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily= ><?param Arial><?smaller>Erwins Pianos Restorations = <?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>4721 Parker Rd.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>Modesto, Ca 95357<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>209-577-8397<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?p= aram Arial><?smaller>Rebuilt Steinway , Mason &Hamlin = Sales<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>www.Erwinspiano.com<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> </BLO= CKQUOTE>friendly greetings from André Oorebeek Amsterdam - The = Netherlands 0031-20-6237357 0645-492389 0031-75-6226878 w= ww.concertpianoservice.nl www.grandpiano.nl "where music is, no harm can be" <HR> _______________________________________________ pianotech = list info: = https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HT= ML>