<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">   <p>Delwin D Fandrich wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style> <blockquote dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #800080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: soundboards improving with age? or what else?</div>  <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>    (snip) Richard wrote at some point:</font></font> <div dir=ltr>Grin... I know you dont aggree Del... and hey.. thats cool. Its one thing to suppose this, to observe that.. to hypothosize, reason, conport, and constertate.. to agree or disagree...  its another thing entirely to declare "I have the answer"</div> <div dir=ltr> </div> <div dir=ltr><font color="#800080"><font size=-1>To the best of my recollection, I have never claimed to "have the answer." After many years of research, experimentation and trial and error, I do have some answers. You are, of course, quite free to either accept them or not.</font></font></div> <div dir=ltr> </div> <div dir=ltr>which you follow by:</div> <div dir=ltr> </div> <div dir=ltr><font color="#800080"><font size=-1>I am one of the most questioning people around, have been for some time. As to whether I am wise or not is probably open to debate. But I chose to not waste my time on things that have no possibility of either improving my work (specifically) or the piano (generally).</font></font></div> <div dir=ltr>  <br>Del... I am not going to spend a lot of time dwelling on this... but your "answer" is found in your second statement. Its such an obvious self contridiction its quite absurd. You declare much to have no "<font size=-1><font color="#800080">no possibility of either improving my work (specifically) or the piano (generally)</font><font color="#000000">"  </font></font><font color="#000000">that others declare are valuble in our persuit of understanding piano sound. When they discuss these things you simply brush off these things as meaningless without having any proof whatsoever that they are. And your only real  handholds to justify this stance are to point out that these things havent proved or measured,  that what existing knowledge cannot explain or measure them. Solid scientific stance... whooaa...</font> <br>  <br> </div> <div dir=ltr>Grin... Del you shoulda been a politician.  As you have answered your own question in nearly the same breath that you posed it... I will say no more.</div> <div dir=ltr> <div dir=ltr> </div> <div dir=ltr><font color="#800080"><font size=-1>No, Richard, politicians can rarely back up what they say. I generally can--even if you choose to twist it around and try to confuse things.</font></font> <p><font color="#000000">Its not me who did the flip flop, then executed a clever manuver to cover my bobble... nor is it me who has attempted to put words in your mouth. I have been consequent from the begginning. Any my point has been simple.</font><font color="#000000"></font> <p><font color="#000000">As for the stuff you write below.. nothing I could say could possibly underline better why I took the position in this discussion that I did. That of cautioning against being too sure of ones own perception of what is.... or is not true...especially when waving the flag of science around. You begin with a personal slant about my grin,, continue by acussing me of attacking your technical credibility (which I have not... not ever!) then you turn 180 degrees and attack MY credibility..directly...followed up by yet another mis-reference to the violin tanget (The point of that was quite obviously through several posts by several different people in the direction of wood aging in itself not the manner in which the two are constructed, you can refuse to deal with that but the fact remains): You continue on and on and on in an apparent effort to justify your own position and ridicule mine, and apparently in the same breath ridicule once again those who believe in other explanations or models about the soundboard. You even go so far as to directly say that I know obviously nothing about soundboard contruction, or have not any fantasy at all about how to use what little I know. Grin... and then you have the gaul to say that its me attacking you ?? In earlier posts you imply that I obviously need to do more reading on the subject matter and point me to at least two pieces of literature which say absolutely nothing directly related to the subject matter of aged wood relating to acoustics...You brush off literature that I in return point you towards as being simply irrelavant drivel that you disagree with, and then continue on your merry way.</font><font color="#000000"></font> <p><font color="#000000">I quote you from below...</font><font color="#000000"></font> <p dir="ltr"><font color="#800080"><font size=-1>"The age of the wood used to make a piano soundboard panel has nothing <i>of consequence </i>to do with the performance of a piano soundboard....</font></font><font color="#000000"></font> <p><font color="#000000">I say ... prove it. Or suffer the same criticism of all who come with such unsubstantiated assertions suffer. And Delwin... I am indeed sorry if you find that so very difficult to deal with. But there you have it. There are plenty of people in this world that take a different take on the matter... and they arent simply stupid or uneducated or idiots.</font></div> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p><br>"The greatest fate an hypothesis can suffer is to be proven wrong" <p>Albert Einstein... or somebody like him...  It would seem you have difficulty with this idea. <br>  <p>Now as you have found it so very neccessary to drag this otherwise interesting exchange of human views and ideas into the personal slurs areana... I will refuse further escalation in that direction. So bash away since you seem to need to... I hope its er... good for you.. <p>Grin. <p>Richard Brekne <br>RPT, N.P.T.F. <br>Bergen, Norway <br><a href="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no">mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</a> <br>  </body> </html>