ETD's

[Jim Busby]

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David,
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I agree.
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There's another thing I like about the SAT III besides weight.  I don't
know how many times I've dropped it and it seems nearly indestructible!=20
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Jim Busby
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From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
David's Email
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:46 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: ETD's
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Jim,
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Al went from one reading to three readings and I would imagine he will
up his SAT IV to compete against the multiple partial machines if and
when he does that.  $ to be made on upgrading....;-]
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There was a time when the more toys the better but I'm simplifying my
career.  Almost strictly field work so I pack it in.  My arms are long
enough.  No, I don't want to pull along something on wheels.  University
work would probably necessitate carrying everything you might need from
one room to the next...?  I can go out to my car when I need
something...
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David I.
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	From: Jim Busby <mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu> =20
	To: College and University Technicians <mailto:caut@ptg.org> =20
	Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:38 AM
	Subject: RE: ETD's
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	David,
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	         On the second tuning, after it had all the partials
recorded, the Verituner did nearly what the DOB function does on the SAT
III by expanding the double octave, and over the break it really made
the tuning smoother. With the SAT, I nearly always disagree with a
"stock" tuning but, I need to add, Al Sanderson is emphatic about the
need to use your aural skills and use the SAT as a tool, not the end
thereof. That is one of the reasons he added the DOB function. Also, the
6:3 octaves in the bass sometimes bother me on larger scales so I tune
8:4 and sometimes 12:6 on the very bottom. Dr. Sanderson says he used a
certain university's piano faculty (Harvard??) as a basis for those
octaves, so it was a subjective decision.
	         Dr. Sanderson wrote a very energetic article defending
his FAC numbers and discounting the "multiple partial" method of other
ETDs as unnecessary. No doubt he is a whiz and his product is great, but
I still like the bells and whistles on the Verituner and RCT.=20
	         One of the introductions of Al Sanderson at a
convention went something like this "Al Sanderson has single handedly
raised the level of tunings in the world."  He is a wonderful technician
with a great product so I'm not getting rid of my SAT in the near
future!
	         Hope that answers your question.
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	Jim Busby RPT
	BYU
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	From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf Of David's Email
	Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:25 PM
	To: College and University Technicians
	Subject: Re: ETD's
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	Jim,=20
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	I'm interested in how the Verituner tweeked the tuning like your
ear would.  What does that mean? =20
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	David I.
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		From: Jim Busby <mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu> =20
		To: davidlovepianos@earthlink.net ; College and
University Technicians <mailto:caut@ptg.org> =20
		Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:37 PM
		Subject: RE: ETD's
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		Ditto what Dave said. I really like the Verituner. Jim
Coleman's class on ETD's is great if you haven't taken it. The bottom
line seems to be; any one of the 4 can do whatever you want IF you know
how to use them and IF you use your aural skills. I've used all but
Tunelab. If you're into computers and really high tech stuff, try
Cybertuner. If you've used SAT 1 you'll like the III. It's a workhorse.
I recharge mine once a month, and I love the DOB feature. AND you can
still tweek the numbers. I've tuned several pianos with the Verituner
and had the SAT side by side, and I can say that they agreed on the
first tuning (Verituner takes in partials on the first tuning) but on
the 2nd tuning the Verituner tweeked the tuning the way I would have by
ear. (Mostly. I still check and change some things with the Verituner.=20
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		I know a technician in Cal. that swears he can tune with
a Stobocon and make it work! (Maybe he can, maybe he can't...)
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		Jim Busby BYU
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		From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]
On Behalf Of David Love
		Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:38 AM
		To: College and University Technicians
		Subject: RE: ETD's
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		I've used the SAT III and the Verituner (which I now use
and prefer).  The Verituner, IMO, delivers a better no brainer tuning,
nice pitch raise function, good data storage, and finds any note you
play.  The only down side is that it's bigger, heavier and the battery
life is shorter 8 hours).  I carry the charger/adapter with me. =20
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		David Love
		davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
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			From: Dave Forman <mailto:dforman@rider.edu> =20
			To: caut@ptg.org
			Sent: 11/1/2003 9:00:39 AM=20
			Subject: ETD's
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			Caut,
			I'm considering buying a new tuner, and I'm
looking for advice. I'm looking at the SAT, Cybertuner, and Verituner.
What are your experiences with these, which do you prefer, and why. I've
used an SAT I for 12 years, and I'm wondering if the newer devices do
give a better tuning.
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			Dave Forman
			Westminster Choir College of Rider University

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