This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I'm pressed for time this morning, but.Epoxy Technology 1-800-227-2201. Boston. It is a water thin (really water thin) epoxy you mix by weight. Put piano on it's back (upright) and using a hair squeeze bottle, inject/pour the epoxy into the open tuning pin holes. As it fills the holes it also fills laminate separations and any cracks. Unless you have some huge void, it fills them pretty quickly and you fill each hole to the top. After drying you drill the holes out using a hand drill set at proper angle using a bubble level attached to the top of drill. You will find the drill follows the hole pretty well. EPOTEK may still have a handout for this procedure and specifics. I have a copy somewhere in my shop. I have used this on old pianos where the block could not be removed or it was not practical financially or otherwise. The pins feel nice and snug and very smooth and consistent. Let me know if you can't get the info needed. Lance Lafargue, RPT LAFARGUE PIANOS New Orleans Chapter, PTG 985.72P.IANO llafargue@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg Granoff Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:30 PM To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: Value of an old steinway vertical Lance, Some inquiring minds want to know just what IS optical epoxy, where you can get it, and what is your procedure? Mind filling us in? Thanks! Greg Granoff RPT Humboldt State University ----- Original Message ----- From: llafargue <mailto:llafargue@charter.net> To: 'College and University <mailto:caut@ptg.org> Technicians' Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: RE: Value of an old steinway vertical I have 2 Steinway uprights (early 1900's) and plan to inject water thin optical epoxy (EPOTEK), redrill and restring. I have done this on several uprights and grands where replacing was not an option. Works great. Nice feel. Lance Lafargue, RPT LAFARGUE PIANOS New Orleans Chapter, PTG 985.72P.IANO llafargue@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Bdshull@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: Value of an old steinway vertical Hi Ed, I agree with Dale about this. Here in Southern California an 1890's Steinway upright might still have a decent pinblock if the piano lived in this climate most of its life, similar to the piano Dale restored. A few real clean examples exist, valuing those is tough since they are so nice, and should fetch more, perhaps quite a bit more.... Original bass strings can be incredible on a Steinway, with even the steel-wound strings coming out great after turning, a rare event for that type of winding. Yes, "ebonized" was common in 19th century pianos, if the plate is clean and undamaged the word will be stamped. Also the Steinway log will say (sadly, one volume was stolen from Steinway recently, and wasn't photocopied, a terrible loss). Bill Shull Shull Piano Inc. 590 E Industrial Rd 2 San Bernardino, CA 92408 (909) 796-4226 In a message dated 4/19/04 6:24:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Erwinspiano@aol.com writes: hi Ed Don't panic yet. I paid $250.00 for an 1891 from the Manteca unified school district about 8 years ago. It was Bahama yellow with pretty flowers & about to fall over. Its is the one with a myriad of ogees elegant three piece front & the round fluted legs. The block, board & many things were quite good. The board has a lot of crown still. Amazing.Restrung with 3s or 4s,refinish,yes in original ebony, replace the missing three piece cut outs new keytops. Very beautiful looking& sounding. If I did this today I'd ask 15 k. My opinion is that stwy uprights like this are worth anywhere between $500.000 to $1500.00 in original & unbutchered condition. Hey do the math on the items needed then speculate on the Market value in your area.hmmm. Dale Erwin Dear List- I'm dealing with a difficult situation with a customer who has purchased an 1892 Steinway vertical on Ebay. The piano has been restrung in the plain wire and repinned in the bass, "turning the bass strings." The repinning was done with 4/0 pins with apparently no preparation of the holes in the pinblock. Pin torque varies wildly, with many high treble pins over 225 inch pounds. I cannot imagine now how to restring properly without replacing the pinblock. Raising pitch 80 cents and tuning was miserably difficult, perhaps tuning will be manageable when the strings have stabilized....? Refinishing is a thin black lacquer (were 1890's verticals done in ebony?), and the brass lock plate and pedals have been carefully polished. Hammers have been re-shaped past regulation, key pins turned in the front bushings, and key covers glued to fit the notch, with the tips overhanging, and no shaping. The customer had hopes of buying a piano that would become a family heirloom. The seller told her the old bass strings were so good that they didn't need replacement, and that she could eventually complete the restoration with new hammers and dampers. I would be interested in your opinions of what is the going value of an 1892 Steinway vertical, rebuilt to very good playing and tuning condition, and what the purchase price of the instrument as it is should be. Also I would appreciate your comments on the pinblock. Thank you very much. Ed Sutton Erwins Pianos Restorations 4721 Parker Rd. Modesto, Ca 95357 209-577-8397 Rebuilt Steinway , Mason &Hamlin Sales www.Erwinspiano.com ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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