Fred, When I am teaching classes on preparing for the tuning exam I try not to give detuning details for another reason. I find when I do the examinee tries to find ways to factor that knowledge into their tuning exam. That additional information seems to do more harm than good. I feel it is best to tell them to tune the piano as they would any normal tune. Don't do anything out of the normal. To set them at ease, I tell them that the piano has been detuned in a manner that it will be as stable as possible as they tune. Keith Kopp BYU P.S. I wondered why I haven't been able to break into Jim's house. -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jim Busby Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:30 AM To: College and University Technicians Subject: RE: Fw: PTG Tuning Test - Confidential Information Fred, I agree. I once saw a movie where a character put 7 locks on his front door and always left at least one unlocked so a thief would be unlocking instead of locking that one. Funny, but trying to "hide" detuning seems much the same. Jim Busby BYU -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Fred Sturm Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:05 PM To: Ruth Phillips; College and University Technicians; Paul Brown Subject: Re: Fw: PTG Tuning Test - Confidential Information Hi Ruth and Paul, I have heard the argument that knowing what the detuning specs are could provide an "unfair advantage" for the "machine tuner." I consider it pure and utter hooey (other, stronger epithets come to mind). Tuners who use an ETD don't need to check the detuned pitch and then use it, together with the "forbidden knowledge" of the detuning specifications, to achieve a supposedly perfect score. Most ETD tuners get scores in the high 90's to 100% using their machines' calculated tunings. (Where they have trouble is with the aural midrange portion). And relying on detuned notes to be that close to where they are supposed to be is a rather risky business. Speaking for myself, I certainly don't stabilize a de-tuning. It's a five minute process of jerk and call it good enough. The notion of making the test a "deep, dark secret" is one that rather turns my stomach. I know there are those in our organization, and many among the CTE pool, who look at it that way, and who make a big deal of the idea that all manuals belong to the PTG and should be returned if and when a CTE or CTE-in-training "becomes inactive," to give an example of this paranoia (at least that is how I view the attitude). We should use common sense, I guess, but the bottom line is that an examinee either can or cannot produce results. I don't believe that knowledge of the details of the scoring or underlying structure of the test would affect an examinee one way or another. IMO, the more openness the better. I think we would benefit greatly by having the entire membership aware of every single little detail of the test: I think the test could be improved dramatically if there were more open discussion of it, based on knowledge of exactly how it works. Any further discussion of this issue on my part will be off caut-list, but I thought this much might be tolerated. Regards, Fred Sturm (I'm a CTE, but don't consider it a classification <g>, just a lot of work) University of New Mexico --On Monday, July 5, 2004 1:00 PM -0400 Ruth Phillips <webb50@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi, > Paul Brown tried to post this to the list and couldn't get through, so I > am posting it for him. I had asked him about the subject when I saw what > I thought was confidential information posted. It really surprised me. > How do others see this? > Ruth Phillips > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Brown" <paulbrn@shaw.ca> > To: <caut@ptg.org > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:51 PM > Subject: PTG Tuning Test - Confidential Information > > >> Everyone: Please be advised that the Tuning Exam Manual is Copyright by > PTG. >> All information that associates need to be informed about the exam is >> readily available in the PTG Exam area. It is forbidden for anyone except a >> CTE or ETSC Committee Member to make copies (for their own exam use only) of >> score forms used in the exam. >> For example, knowing about tolerance information can be an advantage to >> machine tuners who will know exactly what to do for a perfect score. >> >> >> >> Paul Brown >> >> ETSC Chair. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives _______________________________________________ caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives _______________________________________________ caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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