Ladies, Gentlemen: This is a continuation of a subject under a different title "Sacrifice (was tuners-technology)". I'm using a new title that addresses the current discussion a little better, i.e., the unision going slightly falt when all three strings are tuned. Several things are happening here, and they are getting glossed over as generalities, which they are not. Virgil Smith is correct about some things, incorrect about others. Jim Coleman is correct within the bounds of his statements. But there is more to it than that. Fred Sturm is right on target here. Measuring single strings (in a piano) to an accuracy of 0.1 cent is puching the limit, if it isn't already past it, and that's not the fault of the ETD. It's just a limitation of pure statistics - the data available to the ETD - limited by the decay rate of the various paritals and the stability of the string's vibration. All other things being equal, I would expect the fundamental of the note to go a tiny, tiny, tiny but flat during the "prompt sound" when all three strings are tuned due to the mutual coupling at the bridge. But after that, I would expect it to turn around and go the other way during the "after-sound" due to the fact that the three strings, sooner or later, WILL go out of phase, no matter how accurately the unison is tuned. It's a basic law of physics. I'm saying the pitch produced by in-phase strings will be ever-so-slightly lower than that produced by out-of-phase strings due to the mutual coupling, and that will depend upon how much mutual coupling there is, and how fast the decay is. Another thing no one so far has mentioned is the fact that the bridge itself is NOT rock solid. When pressure is applied to a bridge pin, it DOES move - by a microscopic amount - but it moves - and the movement of one pin will move the next one a little bit. Wood grain is springy. I'll bet that if you very carefully measure (on the same note of the same piano) unison tuning going from sharp to flat, you will find this effect is not the same as when you tune going from flat to sharp. I have not done this experiment, but that is what I would expect to see if I did. Again, as Fred points out, we are making measurements that are on the fringe area of the resolution we can obtain in a real piano, and we are bound to get scatter in the results. One more thing that Fred also mentioned: If all three strings of a unison are within about 0.5 cent of each other, the fundamental will lock in due to mutual coupling, and it won't beat, but some of the higher partials will. As you get the unison more closely tuned, the higher partials will begin to lock in, and not beat. I have done those experiments, and they prove to be true. When you aurally fine-tune unisons, you are actually listening to the higher-pitched partials, as the fundamentals have long since stopped beating. We are looking at something here that is very complex, and we cannot account for it with one single, simple, explanation - but it CAN be explained. Sincerely, Jim Ellis
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