[CAUT] lacquor

[Chris Solliday]

Horace, I think there is another way to look at keytop and that is as a
cherry on top effect and I apply it to specific string cuts with a toothpick
and that's all I use it for. Dan Harteau from Detroit area showed me this
technique and I have it very effective for the last few years. That and the
top 4 or 5 notes are the only way I use it but in that case I use acetone as
a thinner and think it combines better when the lacquer underneath has been
thinned with acetone. Or is it that it seems not to combine well with the
lacquer thinner and the acetone is better by comparison. Well anyway I must
agree a good result can be had without ever using the stuff at all but there
are those situations when I'm glad to have it.
Incidentally Kent Webb's most recent (a few weeks ago) indication to me was
to mix their lacquer 8-1 to get used to it and then work thicker from there.
It is water white nitrocellulose lacquer 24% solids and available from
Steinway Parts.
Chris Solliday
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Horace Greeley" <hgreeley at stanford.edu>
To: "College and University Technicians" <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] lacquor


>
> Hi, Chris,
>
> At 07:13 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote:
> >Horace, Kent Webb told me the stuff they sell to us techs now is the
stuff
> >from Seagraves.
>
> Yes, thanks!  After posting, I found an earlier EM about that.
>
> >I agree with you about alternatives although if you ever
> >anticipate using keytop then it is best to be consistent and us acetone
as a
> >thinner for both lacquer and keytop material.
>
> Hmmm...I disagree, but then, I think that the acetone/keytop stuff is
> highly overrated.  It's good for fast and dirty, which is why it was
> originally introduced (and, not in the C&A department).  Tonally,
> it's a mess.  Moreover, with either lacquer or plastic, acetone burns
> off too quickly to give really good saturation...but, I do recognize
> that this is very much a minority view.
>
> Best.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> >Chris Solliday
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Horace Greeley" <hgreeley at stanford.edu>
> >To: "College and University Technicians" <caut at ptg.org>
> >Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:17 AM
> >Subject: Re: [CAUT] lacquor
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Debra & Chris,
> > >
> > > Unless things have changed a great deal, the stuff sold from S&S is
> > > automotive (often acrylic) lacquer.  It mixes well enough with other
> > > lacquers which may have been applied, less well with keytop.
Depending on
> > > the circumstance, I would suggest using lacquer thinner, rather than
> > > acetone.  While the thinner will certainly take longer to evaporate,
it
> > > will do a better job of mixing in with whatever is already extant.
> > >
> > > If you are starting out with a fresh set of hammers, and are not used
to
> > > using lacquer, I would suggest using white lacquer sanding sealer,
again
> > > with lacquer thinner.  Sanding sealer tends to break down more
quickly,
> > > and, _generally_ will not develop the dreaded crunch avoided by so
many
> > > folks.
> > >
> > > The availablility of real nitrocellulous might also be a function of
where
> > > you live, as well.  It has been easier to find in some states than in
> > > others.
> > >
> > > If you want more, write me directly.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
> > > Horace
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Chris Solliday <solliday at ptd.net>:
> > >
> > > > Debra, If you are looking for enough lacquer to voice with, Steinway
> > > > Parts has it. I think they sell a gallon at a time, if I remember
right,
> > > > which for voicing is practically a life time supply, except there is
a
> > > > shorter shelf life than our lives. Otherwise you will find it comes
in
> > > > large quanities for finishing. I have, in a pinch, used acrylic
lacquer
> > > > sold in auto supply stores but it is probably not the best for
mixing
> > > > with other lacquer already in the hammer. I must say though that the
few
> > > > sets of hammers I used it on sounded and continue to sound as good
(3-4
> > > > years later) as any, despite predictions to the contrary.  But
really
> >the
> > > > right thing is to use the Steinway lacquer. Around here we try and
go in
> > > > together 2, 3, or 4 people at a time and share the order, mostly
because
> > > > of the shelf life issue. Someone else can provide better advice
> >regarding
> > > > finishing supplies as I don't do any big stinky jobs like that.
> > > > Chris Solliday
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: Debra Feiger
> > > >   To: caut at ptg.org
> > > >   Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:08 PM
> > > >   Subject: [CAUT] lacquor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I'm having trouble finding nitrocellulous lacquor in paint stores.
> >Can
> > > > someone tell me where I might find it?  Thanks
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