[CAUT] RE : RE : huge pitch raise question

[Marcel Carey]

Hi again Michelle..

Oh, for those studio uprights... Well, I have no shame saying that for
the older type of pianos you mention, I use lubricant at friction points
of the strings. I use protek that I apply with a 000 artist brush. It
doesn't take long and has saved me a lot of broken strings. I just hate
it when they fail specially in the tenor... :-(

Give the old protek a try, you might like it.

Marcel
> 
> Hi Marcel..
> 
> Hmmm.. no these piano were not Chinese... just your run-of-the-mill  
> Baldwin Hamiltons, Sohmers, Wurlitzers...you know.... studio 
> uprights  
> that haven't been tuned in a kazillion years..nothing like what you  
> had today..
> 
> Good news that you got this thing tuned up.
> And yeah- I'll bet you gave your anti-perspirant a chance to proove  
> itself!
> 
> Cheers!
> :)
> Michelle
> 
> On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Marcel Carey wrote:
> 
> > Hello Michelle,
> >
> > I just did a chinese import this afternoon. The piano had been
> > delivered
> > in the crate last may. There were still some kind of paper pattern  
> > stuck
> > to the bass struts and the paper was touching some bass 
> strings. WOW,
> > what a sound.
> >
> > Now I would like to ask you if the string breakage you 
> experience is 
> > with these chinese imports. The reason I ask is that this 
> particular 
> > piano scared me. The first tenor strings had so much angle 
> up from the 
> > V-bar that they just didn't want to move. I thought of your 
> post and I 
> > had a lot of cranking up before the pitch actually started to
> > change. I
> > didn't measure the angle, but it looked like 30 or more degrees.
> >
> > I was lucky, nothing broke but the piano was a beast to 
> bring back to 
> > pitch and tune. The pins were tight and springy. Not fun but the
> > pay is
> > good. But it upsets me that some store send pianos in crates with NO
> > PREPARATION whatsoever.
> >
> > Marcel Carey, RPT
> > Sherbrooke, QC
> >
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> >>
> >> Hi folks-
> >>
> >> Happy New Year!
> >>
> >> :D
> >>
> >> It happens more often than I'd like (and once is enough to be
> >> honest) and while I "feel"  that it's not my lovely hammer 
> technique 
> >> ;)  , maybe it's something to do with some sort of "string thing"..
> >>
> >> Has anyone else run across this?
> >> (Or maybe a PTG article I have overlooked?)
> >>
> >> Upon visiting a fairly new piano and finding it dreadfully 
> flat (50 
> >> cents or more) , I carefully yet quickly, raise it up at 
> least half 
> >> of what it was. And I do have a (good?) habit of initially 
> moving the 
> >> pin in the flat direction before moving it sharp in order 
> to loosen 
> >> any friction from any rust or whatever that may have accumulated. 
> >> Just a
> >> *quick* jerk to the left- nothing serious at all.
> >>
> >> Now.. having raised the piano up (with a second pass to at 
> least get 
> >> it up to pitch) I start doing a "fine tuning".
> >>
> >> it is either at this second pass or my fine tuning where strings 
> >> start to break. In the usual places too- nothing out of 
> the ordinary.
> >>
> >> (Am I doing "too many tunings" (up to 3  times) to raise this 
> >> completely up? Seems like that wouldn't be an issue, especially if 
> >> it's new(er)? Have I introduced some sort of unusual 
> friction/heat or 
> >> something??
> >>
> >>
> >> Now this doesn't happen all of the time, but I am acutely 
> aware that 
> >> it could and I wonder if there's something in my technique or my 
> >> sequence of pitch raising that makes these newer strings break. (I 
> >> could understand some strings breaking if the piano was older..)
> >>
> >> I know tuners who on the first go, bring the whole piano 
> up tp pitch 
> >> but I've always been a little leary of that. I'm wondering if they 
> >> also have strings break on their second pass/ fine tuning..
> >>
> >> I fully realize that they (the strings) are now at 
> different spots on 
> >> all of the contact and termination points so I would assume that 
> >> would add to the puzzle. And I'd like to also add that it 
> seems that 
> >> the tork alone on this 1/2 way-to-pitch, pitch raised piano feels 
> >> MUCH higher than it did before (and more than "normal") 
> and I chalk 
> >> that up to the higher tension I have just introduced.
> >>
> >> I am a jerk tuner.
> >>
> >> (Stop laughing  :)
> >>
> >> I would be VERY interested in viewing the number of passes 
> you folks 
> >> do to bring a  piano up to pitch and whether or not you've 
> >> experienced this-especially on ones that aren't so old.
> >>
> >> Hope this post reads OK- and I look forward to your responses!
> >>
> >> :)
> >> Michelle
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