Didnt see before writing my last. Yes... this sounds about right. Cheers RicB My theory ( I think I read it somewhere but don't count on me to remember:-) The wippen is a compound lever. The support arm is a third class lever (wippen center/capstan/jack center) with the repetition lever acting as a second class lever (wippen center/knuckle/jack center) in some type of vector situation with the support lever. The force at the knuckle/rep lever contact point is calculated from a line drawn down from that point perpendicular to the support thus engaging it as a second class lever. As the wippen rail moves back, the capstan moves further from the fulcrum and so does the knuckle on the rep lever thus the vector/perpendicular relation on the support. As the wippen rail moves further back such that the jack is perpendicular to the support rail, the whole system becomes a third class lever. So there's no advantage mechanically to moving the wippen rail outside of reaching that saturation point at which the compound second/third class lever system becomes optimum for the action parameters. Line of centers. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I shimmed a rail out today and yes, the UW & DW dropped. I don't attribute it to improving wippen ratio but vector alignment. If I kept moving the rail back I'm sure the numbers would degrade. -- Regards, Jon Page LET'S GO RED SOX
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