[CAUT] Thumping Baldwin SF

[Ed Sutton]

Dave-

My quotation was just a quotation. Since Cliff worked for Baldwin, and had 
lots of experience with the instruments, I thought it was worth 
consideration.

His suggestion was to remove the glide bolts, then add an extra strip of 
wood, which was then fitted to the keybed, so technically no original wood 
was removed.

Ed



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Porritt, David" <dporritt at mail.smu.edu>
To: "Ed Sutton" <ed440 at mindspring.com>; <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [CAUT] Thumping Baldwin SF


Ed:

You know, for some reason I always thought the "front rail glide" was a good 
idea.  Knabe did that on some pianos early in the last century.  I've 
adjusted them and had good results.  There's something that bothers me about 
"destructive" ways to adjust things.  Removing wood on the front rail that 
can never be put back on to adjust the fit seems odd though I'm aware that 
it has been "traditional" forever.  I just prefer systems that can be 
actually adjusted.  OK, it's just one of many psychological flaws.

dp


David M. Porritt, RPT
dporritt at smu.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed 
Sutton
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:05 AM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Thumping Baldwin SF

I heard Cliff Gears speak scornfully of the Baldwin "front rail glide"
system. He said "When you see this, yank 'em out, glue a strip of wood to
the bottom edge of the key frame and seat it right."
ES

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>
To: <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Thumping Baldwin SF


Good morning Joe!

But if it's bedded properly why would it knock? Isn't that the definition of
a bedded frame; no knock? And how could bushing cloth possibly NOT wear out
there, and rather quickly? I learn new things daily on this list, and Jon is
one of the best. It's just something I haven't seen nor thought of. And how
do you adhere it? Jon?

Regards,
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Joe
And Penny Goss
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:01 AM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Thumping Baldwin SF

Hi Jim,
If you tap the base where the (key bed) action lies sometimes that area will
ring like a drum.
Joe Goss RPT
Mother Goose Tools
imatunr at srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>
To: <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Thumping Baldwin SF


I've had luck with Crescendo punching.

Jon, you covered the glides?? Were they knocking or something? (I'm
certainly not questioning you're abilities, but this sounds a little weird.
Explain?)

Regards,
Jim Busby

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jon
Page
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:12 AM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Thumping Baldwin SF

I had this thumping noise on an L from the '70's. Replacing the impacted
front rail punchings did not quiet it enough for the player.

I ended up covering the bearing areas on the bottom of the key frame
and glides with bushing cloth.
-- 

Regards,

Jon Page