Greetings, Fred writes: << Most commonly one tunes the CF 5th, then moves upward through GDA etc. And one ends up with the FF octave as "proof." There is a very common tendency to make the 5ths too pure, so that FF ends up too wide. One then moves backward, making the 5ths a little narrower<snip> Result? The 5ths on the natural keys are the ones that are closest to pure, those on the sharps are the most tempered. Hence, the M3s on the sharps are narrowest, those on the naturals are widest: the reverse of WT.<< I think it is very plausible that many, many tuners produced tunings this way. It is in keeping with my own experience learning to tune: I was taught that 4ths and 5ths were more important than 3rds and 6ths, and so it would make sense to "hide" the worst 5ths in the sharp keys. It seems to me that this "unintentional tuning system" was likely quite prevalent for the past two centuries. >> I wonder how applicable that was to the tuners of the 18th and 19th centuries. The Thomas Young tuning instructions were to make 6 evenly tempered fifths in one direction, and 6 pure fifths in the other, (beginning from C). So, the intentional tempering of fifths was part of the most refined tuning system devised. I think tuners of yore had a different mind set from our equally tempered goal. They were aware of the "character of the keys", which doesn't exist in ET and was never taught to us as a goal. We were taught, (Ludwig excepted), to strive for a temperament in which no fifth was audibly "out of tune", whereas earlier tuners were more than familiar with a variety of fifths, (having been exposed to meantone, a wild fifth was not so alien). Today, we may have a tendency towards clarity in the fifths, since all the ET thirds are whacked out of tune. In days past, in the era of tonal music, the staggered progression of thirds via the circle of fifths could have been the focus. Regards, Ed Foote RPT http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html <BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26h mpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)</HTML>
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