[CAUT] temperament for Schubert (Fred Sturm)

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Tue Jan 13 17:28:27 PST 2009


Greetings, 

Fred writes:

<<  Most commonly one tunes the CF  
5th, then moves upward through GDA etc. And one ends up with the FF  
octave as "proof." There is a very common tendency to make the 5ths  
too pure, so that FF ends up too wide. One then moves backward, making  
the 5ths a little narrower<snip> Result? The 5ths on the natural keys are the 
ones that are closest to  
pure, those on the sharps are the most tempered. Hence, the M3s on the  
sharps are narrowest, those on the naturals are widest: the reverse of  
WT.<< I think it is very plausible that many, many tuners produced tunings  
this way. It is in keeping with my own experience learning to tune: I  
was taught that 4ths and 5ths were more important than 3rds and 6ths,  
and so it would make sense to "hide" the worst 5ths in the sharp keys.
    It seems to me that this "unintentional tuning system" was likely  
quite prevalent for the past two centuries. >>

     I wonder how applicable that was to the tuners of the 18th and 19th 
centuries.   The Thomas Young tuning instructions were to make 6 evenly tempered 
fifths in one direction, and 6 pure fifths in the other, (beginning from C).  
So, the intentional tempering of fifths was part of the most refined tuning 
system devised.  
    I think tuners of yore had a different mind set from our equally tempered 
goal. They were aware of the "character of the keys", which doesn't exist in 
ET and was never taught to us as a goal. We were taught, (Ludwig excepted), to 
strive for a temperament in which no fifth was audibly "out of tune", whereas 
earlier tuners were more than familiar with a variety of fifths, (having been 
exposed to meantone, a wild fifth was not so alien). 
    Today, we may have a tendency towards clarity in the fifths, since all 
the ET thirds are whacked out of tune. In days past, in the era of tonal music,  
the staggered progression of thirds via the circle of fifths could have been 
the focus. 
Regards, 

Ed Foote RPT 
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