Blanket statements are dangerous as each person's needs will vary. I carry term life insurance because I'm the primary income earner and if I drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow my wife and kids have a major problem. It's totally appropriate in my case. Similarly health insurance (through Kaiser like David I.) has been terrific and taken care of several problems in my family that have come up over the years that would have been astronomically expensive were it out of pocket. Kaiser can be purchased individually, btw, though usually only during the enrollment period. Also, they do not refuse coverage based on pre existing conditions. It's the advantage of not for profit HMO's. Kaiser may be one of the few successful models. Disability is questionable because the coverage tends to be minimal and you may be better off just generating enough savings (invested) that you can live for a time should you have a problem. There it's less clear. I agree with Wim it's not worth it not to carry these things as it only takes one incident to bankrupt you or put your dependents at risk. If you're alone and childless, then you can make that choice, if not then you are probably remiss in your responsibilities not to carry it. Insurance is something you carry that you hope you never have to use, I guess that's the irony. It doesn't make it any less necessary. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of wimblees at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:10 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Insurance rant --was:Tax help for John Susan Too many people have the impression that insurance has to used in order for it to be worth having. Personally I think life insurance is a rip off, too. So far, I'm happy to report, I've not had to use it. I haven't filed a claim with my car insurance company for over 10 years, but I'm not about to drop it. Not just because my bank requires it, but because the next accident I get into, the insurance will more than cover the cost of the repairs. I've carried disability insurance for over 35 years, and when I turn 65 next year, the company has to drop me. Which means, unless I get into an accident which disables me before I turn 65, I will thrown away $15,540. I consider it money well spent. Have you ever noticed that firemen wear helmets all the time, even when they have to get a cat out of a tree. No matter how silly it looks, they know it doesn't do much good to put them on after they need it. I'm glad you've been healthy, and that you've got a great outlook on life. But you've been living on borrowed time. Maybe you'll be lucky, and won't ever need it. But look at what happened to John. One second he was happily driving his motercycle down the street, and the next, he's had his life altered forever. It's bad enough he has to endure the pain and suffering, and hopefully all of us can help his family survive for the next year or so. But just think how bad it would be if he didn't have insurance. It's just not worth it to me NOT to carry health, car, disability, life, house, etc., insurance. Wim Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT Piano Tuner/Technician Mililani, Oahu, HI 808-349-2943 Author of: The Business of Piano Tuning available from Potter Press www.pianotuning.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kline <skline at peak.org> To: caut at ptg.org Sent: Mon, 4 May 2009 2:25 pm Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Insurance rant --was:Tax help for John At 04:23 PM 5/4/2009, you wrote: Woah, Susan, No insurance? Of any kind? You're not really old enough for Medicare already are you? I just met you some 15 years ago. (You might not remember) You're still a spring chick! Ha! I've tuned for over 30 years now. Age and the family fibro genes are having an effect -- but I can still tune a mean piano. I was just wondering today if I can manage to get to the fifty-year mark. I would only be 82 then. I have car insurance and home owners insurance. The car insurance would pay out a little bit in case I was injured in a traffic accident. Health insurance was just too expensive, and too obviously intended to take advantage of the client, not aid them in any medical emergency. There's a practice getting more and more common these days -- sign up some poor bloke (or bloke-ess), tell them they are covered, (yada yada), collect the huge premiums from them year after year, and if they have a major medical expense, THEN go back through their records with a fine-tooth comb, and tell them that they had a pre-existing condition, no money will be paid out for your recent (massive) treatments. And somehow the idea that they should return all those premiums because the person was never really covered doesn't ever surface. For instance, if someone turns out to have throat cancer, go back and find out that they were treated for one episode of bronchitis forty years before -- sorry, pre-existing condition. I think that gradually over time, policies (particularly policies for the self-employed) have turned from insurance into carefully planned and ruthlessly executed theft. Liability insurance I suspect is counter-productive. By deepening one's pockets it tempts crooked people to sue. After all, if someone is insured for a million dollars, why not try to get it? In all my tuning career, no one has even whispered the word "lawsuit" to me -- except a customer aghast at the idea that I would finish a tuning after an owner has left me alone in the house. "Why, you could be sued for a million dollars!" (He was a lawyer specializing in liability suits. I was extremely glad to finish his tuning and leave his house!) Anyway, life goes on. I didn't insure my tools -- I still have them. If I had insured my cello down through the years, I'd have paid for it three or four times over by now. I don't have yearly physicals. I don't have a regular doctor. I flat-out refused to have mammograms (I don't think radiation over and over again is a good idea.) I get dental work if I need it (broken filling, etc.) not on a schedule. The dental costs tripled when dental insurance became common. My knees are getting bad -- but if I'd gone to an M.D. with them just a couple of years ago, I'd probably have been put on VIOXX. That was a real eye-opener for me. If you don't take any damned medicine, it won't get a chance to give you a heart attack or stroke ... I'm still here, I never had cancer ... life is uncertain, but not always short. I was really disgusted to hear on an NPR program recently than an uninsured person is often charged five or six times as much for the same procedure as an insured person is. That's just plain wrong, and should be forbidden by law. Over time, given large companies and huge amounts of money at stake, corruption happens -- when it gets too bad to continue, the whole rat-infested edifice needs to be torn down (before it collapses of its own weight, in a cloud of powder-post-beetle frass) and rebuilt from scratch. We seem to be about there. We're getting less and less and it's costing more and more. Even given the state of the medical profession these days, if I thought I had appendicitis, or if I broke a bone or if I was in an auto accident, I'd rush to call 911 and be extremely grateful for the help, which I would even attempt to pay for. Some things doctors do supremely well -- the rest they shouldn't be asked to do at all. (In my HUMBLE opinion ...) As far as I am aware, even fully insured people will die of something someday ... maybe before I do? Insurance doesn't prevent injury or illness or loss -- it just pays you money later. (or doesn't ... <grrrr>) Anyway, thanks for the nice thought. Susan _____ Shopping for Mom? Save <http://shopping.aol.com/mothers-day-gifts-for-mom?ncid=emlweinstor00000003> yourself a little time and money on AOL Shopping. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut_ptg.org/attachments/20090504/e65e8b3e/attachment.html>
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