[CAUT] New flu info

[David Ilvedson]

That seems sensible to me...I will pass this on to my school...

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA  94044

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: Ari <isaac at isaacpiano.com>
To: caut at ptg.org
Received: 9/23/2009 5:45:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] New flu info


>Hi list.

>I'm hesitante to write since I'm out of my depth but...
>In Toronto hospitals they don't hose down the door handles, door jams etc.
>with sterilizing liquids every time they're handled, they have, instead, at
>the entrance to the wards, dispensers of sterilizing fluid you're encouraged
>to use as you enter, or leave, or both. How about having, once an effective
>sterilizing liquid is identified, both the prof and student(s) wash their
>hands with that liquid before the lesson, after, or both and leave the piano
>keys alone.   Even if you succeed in sterilizing the keys you still have
>your hands to worry about.  
>Surgeons used to use a liquid soap called physohex, I may be spelling it
>wrong, it was said to be pretty potent.

>Ari Isaac.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jim
>Busby
>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:54 PM
>To: PTG-CAUT (caut at ptg.org)
>Subject: [CAUT] New flu info

>All,
> 
>My son Eric is a new Pharmacist and "up" on all the latest, and has some
>pretty good sources for products. I asked him to do some research and here
>is what he told me; 
> 
>- Hydrogen peroxide is NOT proven to kill flu germs. It may, but Eric says
>he wouldn't trust it w/o testing.
>- Lysol wipes HAVE been proven to kill type A flu (Swine flu is type A) but
>not type B, which is a lot of the others
>- Clorox wipes say they kill flu but they have NOT done the testing. THey
>have the same active ingredient as Lysol, but other stuff is different and
>the bottom line is it's NOT tested/proven.
>- Lysol wipes (all wipes w/o alcohol) need 10 minutes to be effective (!!! I
>didn't know that!)
>- Alcohol/alcohol wipes take only 30 seconds and is effective
>- Sprays (Lysol or Clorox) are far more effective than wipes, mainly because
>of the alcohol, and take 30 seconds, but...they have alcohol, (which we
>believe is bad for keytops and finishes.) (Is it really??)
>- Flu and other viral germs can live on a surface like piano keys for 2
>days, but Eric says say 3 to be safe.
> 
>I'm revising the revisions of my revised rough copy of the "policy"...
> 
>For whomever told me that Hydrogen Peroxide would kill flu germs, do you
>have a source for seeing the tests? Eric couldn't find any. 
> 
>Does alcohol really hurt keytops, or is this another urban pianotech
>legend?? I've never seen it, but there's a million things I haven't seen.
> 
>I hate to run this into the ground, but it looks like we need to study this
>more. I don't know about you, but BYU and Snow College want something
>definitive ASAP, and I'm afraid profs will take it upon themselves to start
>hosing down the piano after each student. Hence my pressing this query.
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>Jim Busby