Perfect fifths temperament (was Perfect Tuning)

[KUANG]

Actually it's not that bad at all.  I usually start from A, then go down
to D, to G, to C, and to F.  And here I stop to avoid disaster....
I check the minor 10th (A and C) and the major 10th (F and A).  I can't
hear the beat but I know if either or both intervals sound right,
then I better start over.  At the same time, I will know if "my" perfect
fifth is too low or too high.  I don't know how fast average tuners can
set a perfect temperament, but I usually can get the temperament in 10 to
20 minutes, depending on the condition of the piano.

Kuang

On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Jim wrote:

> The only problem with the J. Cree Fischer method is that you have to
> tune all 12 notes along with their connecting octaves before you find
> out if it's going to come out all right.  You've got 12 chances for
> small errors which can become cumulative, and then WHAMO!, you've got
> to start over again.
>
> Jim Coleman, Sr.
>
> On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, KUANG wrote:
>
> > Hi, list:
> > 	That book by Fischer happenes to be my first tuning "text book".
> > Perfect fifth temperament is the only method I use (and the only method I
> > know) to tune a piano.  I found it very easy to learn and it's VERY
> > accurate (to most people I know).
> > No, i don't know how to hear "beats" (i don't intend to learn it
> > either...sounds like it's hard to learn).  I'm not a professional tuner
> > (i'm a student of many majors including piano and violin) but all of my
> > music friends think i'm at a professional level.  The major thirds don't
> > sound flat to me at all.  Every time i check the pianos tuned by the piano
> > technician of my music department with perfect fifths,  one or two of them
> > are flat and/or sharp (I bet he doesn't use SAT.....or does he?  Oh, he's
> > a RPT.  No offense)  I never checked my own temperament with an instrument
> > so I don't know if my tunning is really that accurate or not.  The only
> > problem with perfect fifth temperament i know is that if "your" perfect
> > fifth is only 0.2 cent sharp/flat, then you'll end up with little more
> > than 2 cent sharp/flat (and if "your" perfect fifth is 1 cent off,
> > then....oh well, go figure :) ).  And it won't sound pleasant if you
> > check with the octave.  I said it was an easy method because, well, it's
> > the only interval you have to know!
> >
> > Kuang
> >
> > On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 KTorres280@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > This sounds similar to a book by J. Cree Fischer (I hope I have his name
> > > correct) in which a temperament can be set using only fifths. However, the
> > > end result is supposed to be the same as with other standard methods. I have
> > > tried this method without much success however. Another tuner I know used to
> > > set his temperament with just fourths and fifths, not using thirds and other
> > > checks at all. He was an excellent tuner but could not explain how he did it,
> > > and he didn't even know what I meant when I asked him about the speed of the
> > > beats in thirds and such...a technician from Russia taught him. But he sure
> > > knew how to make even the worst pianos sound great!
> > >
> >
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