voicing on M&H back reply

[pianoman]

Dear Greg,
	I took no offence.  It sounded like in the responses I was getting that
everyone thought I was saying "everyone" could not do better than the
factory I was just trying to say that even though others may be confident
in their skills enough to try to better the factory that" I " personally
did not.  
	That is why I do not take those types of jobs like fine voicing and fine
action regulation.  I just try to limit my work to skills that I have like
tuning, repair, some rebuilding, and bench creation.
Your a good guy.
Have a great week.
James Grebe
R.P.T. of the P.T.G. from St. Louis, MO. USA, Earth
pianoman@inlink.com
"I'm on my way towards the mighty light of knowledge".

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> From: Gregory Torres <tunapiana@adisfwb.com>
> To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Subject: Re: voicing on M&H back
> Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 9:58 PM
> 
> Dear James,
> 
> You wrote "Is that coming off like I am arrogant or something?"
> 
> No. Not arrogant, but it did sort of sound like you meant that any "fine"
piano
> should be left alone. I simply said I disagree with that thought. And I
> admitted up front that I am not as experienced in  voicing as some on
this
> list. I was just trying to say that any piano can be tweaked somewhat.
> 
> I hope my post didn't come across negatively towards you or anyone else.
Please
> accept my apologies.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Greg Torres
> 
> pianoman wrote:
> 
> > Dear Greg and All,
> > All I am saying is that "I" could not improve every piano that comes
off
> > the line.  Is that coming off like I am arrogant or something?
> >   Maybe others can, but I can't.
> >  James Grebe
> > R.P.T. of the P.T.G. from St. Louis, MO. USA, Earth
> > pianoman@inlink.com
> > "I'm on my way towards the mighty light of knowledge".
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Greg Torres <Tunapiana@adisfwb.com>
> > > To: pianotech@ptg.org
> > > Subject: Re: voicing on M&H
> > > Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 1:37 PM
> > >
> > > James,
> > >
> > > While I agree with many of your posts I have to disagree on this one
> > regarding voicing. I
> > > will first say here that while I don't have the expertise in this
area
> > that some on this
> > > list obviously do I have had experiences similar to the incident
> > described in the earlier
> > > post regarding voicing a new piano. It is my opinion that any
instrument
> > from the factory
> > > could be "tweaked" by proper voicing. If the artist/pianist feels the
> > need for something
> > > which is lacking regarding the tone if it can be improved to that
persons
> > satisfaction then
> > > why not? I don't feel that a piano that has come from the factory
always
> > sounds the best.
> > > Any piano's tone in most cases can benefit from the needles or
hardener
> > of one who really
> > > knows what they are doing.
> > >
> > > I had a customer with a Steinway B, circa '20s, all original and the
> > hammers were worn
> > > almost flat and lacquered as hard as rocks. But he insisted that he
loved
> > the tone. I
> > > re-strung and put a new set of renner hammers and had to use a lot of
> > hardener to achieve
> > > the tone he was used to, and I personally hated doing it because the
tone
> > it had before the
> > > hardener to me was the "Steinway" sound I liked.
> > >
> > > Bottom line-just like HT's if the customer wants a particular sound
and
> > it can be had and
> > > they are willing to pay for it then go ahead if you are able...My
goal
> > always is to make
> > > the customer happy. If someone else screwed it up that's ok too
because
> > then you have the
> > > chance to prove that there really are good tench's and you are one of
> > them.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Greg Torres
> > >
> > > pianoman wrote:
> > >
> > > >         My earlier post asked the question, "Why would anyone want
to
> > re-voice a
> > > > new Mason & Hamlin A".
> > > >         I figure that on the fine;  no, probably almost all new
pianos
> > are never
> > > > going to sound, play, look, or act better than when they leave the
> > factory
> > > > and are prepped and tuned in the showroom.  These people at the
factory
> > do
> > > > the same job, (voicing, regulation,etc.) all day every day.  I
could
> > not
> > > > think that I could ever compete with their expertise doing what I
do
> > only
> > > > fairly regularly as compared to all day every day.
> > > >                 When a client asks me about buying a piano I always
> > recommend that they
> > > > go to the showroom and play all of the models and pick the one they
> > like
> > > > best and tell the salesman that it is the one they want and proceed
to
> > > > write down the serial number to make sure.  Forget about wheeling
and
> > > > dealing, the one they want is the one they picked out, not one from
the
> > > > warehouse.
> > > >          It is somewhat akin to picking a mate.  In my case, I knew
I
> > wanted a
> > > > woman for my wife but certainly any woman is not the same as THE
woman.
> >  Do
> > > > not be swayed by remarks like, "Oh, we can voice it to suit you
after
> > > > delivery."  POPPYCOCK.  Why would you want to revoice another piano
to
> > > > match the one you picked out in the first place.  Carefully choose
one
> > with
> > > > all the perameters you are looking for and get the same one you
chose.
> > > >          Sorry to be so passionate.
> > > > James Grebe
> > > > R.P.T. of the P.T.G. from St. Louis, MO. USA, Earth
> > > > pianoman@inlink.com
> > > > "I'm on my way towards the mighty light of knowledge".
> > >
> > >
> 
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