HT's

[Jim Coleman, Sr.]

Hi Richard:

In asnwer to your request and for the benefit of any other who may have 
missed the Coleman11 Well Temperament, here it is again lifted from a
PS to Susan Kline.

ppss In case I didn't get this to you before, here are the deviations
     from an FAC tuning for the Coleman11 in terms of cents.

     c    c#   d    d#   e    f    f#   g    g#   a    a#   b

     3.0  0.0  0.0  0.0 -3.0  4.0 -2.0  2.0  0.0 -1.0  2.0 -4.0

If you don't have a SAT, just set any good equal temperament on a good
piano and then use these deviations using any kind of electronic tuner
by measuring where you tuned the note and then changing these amounts. 
for you stricly aural tuners, you may think that you have ruined a 
perfectly good temperament, but it is still playable in all keys, and 
quite nice for most. I guarantee you that an audience listening to music
being played will not have a clue that anything is "wrong." I have done
this kind of tuning before technician/musician audiences where they all
thought is was beautiful and no one had a clue.

In a recent presentation in Riverside CA, I had the audience listen to
the 2 pianos which I had prepared before class. I asked which one they
thought was tuned in an historical tuning. They all pointed to the equal 
tempered piano. I have never seen a complet audience fooled like this
before. It felt good. Well, perhaps Dave Lamoreaux who was in the audience
might have suspected something was up. Did you, Dave? In both of my classes
the voting for preference was equal when the audience was not aware of 
which tuning was which.

Obviously the tuning above would not pass the PTG tuning test. The score 
would be anywhere from 13 points to 20 points off which converted to 
percentage would be from 42% to 68%. Yet in the next class presented by
Randy Potter, the class overwhelmingly preferred the Coleman11 from a 
musical standpoint. Go figure.

Jim Coleman, Sr.


On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Richard Moody wrote:

> Susan, and Jim Coleman
> 	Susan, I wrote that post before I read your excellent one about
> hearing the Rain Drop (what a coincedence!!) in Jim Coleman's # 11
> temp.  Jim have you posted your #11, if so I musta missed it. If not
> would you consider doing so? 
> 
> Richard Moody 
> 
> ----------
> > From: Susan Kline <skline@proaxis.com>
> > To: pianotech@ptg.org
> > Subject: Re:  Re: HT's
> > Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 5:08 AM
> > 
> > At 06:51 AM 3/14/98 EST, you wrote:
> > >Richard writes:
> > ><< "Rain Drop Prelude"  Chopin, Db maj. #15 .  
> > >
> > >	This should be one of the basic playing requirement for those who
> > >
> > >want to be piano technicians.  (Because I can barely  play it)  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>What HT would someone recommended for this? 
> > >
> > >     The DeMorgan, as written about in Jorgensen. 
> > >Regards, 
> > >Ed Foote
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > Hi --
> > 
> > Not that I have enough experience with the others, but
> > the new Coleman 11 sounded darn good with it, as I
> > said in my HT post ... why not try several and compare?
> > 
> > Susan
> > Susan Kline
> > P.O. Box 1651
> > Philomath, OR 97370
> > skline@proaxis.com		
> > 
> > "Time will end all my troubles, but I don't always
> > approve of Time's methods."
> > 		-- Ashleigh Brilliant
>