Tone Regulating was PA state convention... help

[Gina Carter]

Well geez Richard,

My feeling was that Bob made the statement:

> > >Regulating tone, can only
> > > precede an in depth ability to tune and regulate the action at concert
> > > level.

My feeling is that my reply spoke to that statement. You must not have had
the privilege of attending one of Fred's or Joe's classes.

Off to do some tone regulating now. :-)

Gina

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Brekne <richardb@c2i.net>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Tone Regulating was PA state convention... help


> Now I am a bit confused... grin.. whats new.. ??
>
> I had the feeling Robert was refering to this buisness of intonation as it
> directly relates to the manipulation of beats and false beats. I have
heard a
> few discussions on the subject, and its intriguing.
>
> Otherwise I aggree with Ginas points below.. to a point.. I have to say
that I
> find it difficult to imagine trying to "voice" in the traditional sense of
the
> word unless the piano is well regulated and well tuned first. Perhaps the
voicer
> herself doesnt need to do that work.. but it needs to be done first...
then you
> can get down to some serious voiceing.
>
> or what ???
>
> Gina Carter wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert Moffatt <moffattr@cadvision.com>
> > >
> > >Regulating tone, can only
> > > precede an in depth ability to tune and regulate the action at concert
> > > level.
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > Bob Moffatt
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > I think with the amazingly good ETDs available today, the ability to
tune at
> > "concert level" is not the issue. I recall those incredible learning
> > experiences I had in regulating and voicing classes with Fred Drasche
and
> > Joe Bisceglie, neither of whom ever learned to tune and who freely
admitted
> > it.
> >
> > Regulating tone doesn't necessarily mean that one is regulating at
concert
> > level. Sometimes hammers produce a sound that almost renders the piano
> > incapable of being tuned. This is when pre-voicing with steam or needles
> > will get rid of some of those unwanted partials that make the piano
scream
> > to the tuner's ears. Try it on a 30 year old spinet for example. Using
this
> > kind of tone regulating before tuning does make it easier to achieve a
good
> > tuning on that piano.
> >
> > Of course, achieving a concert level tone for a concert piano requires
that
> > the action first be regulated to its maximum capability, strings
leveled,
> > etc. If the hammer does not rise in its correct arc and strike the
string in
> > its correct tangent, tone will always be adversely effected. However,
the
> > piano does not need to be at "concert tune" to regulate. Many master
> > regulators like Fred and Joe had the amazing ability to hear through the
> > tuning to the actual sound the hammers produced.  Heaven knows I am
> > certainly not in their league, but I "regulate tone" all the time
without
> > the piano being tuned at "concert level." Depends on what kind of tone
> > regulating I'm doing.
> >
> > Gina
>
> --
> Richard Brekne
> Associate PTG, N.P.T.F.
> Bergen, Norway
>
>