This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike and Jane Spalding=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: August 08, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Old Upright, partial plate, Pitch? List, What about this exposed pinblock - are there unique problems and = dangers associated with this thing? =20 Oh, this one might be interesting... Since this is a subject dear to my = heart, here goes the first salvo: In my experience the so-called three-quarter plate, exposed pinblock = designs give no more trouble than do any others having the more common = and traditional full plate configuration. Try as I might I've not been = able to figure out why we regard these pianos as somehow structurally = deficient.=20 There is really very little torsional stress--relatively speaking--on = the pinblocks of the traditional upright piano regardless of its plate = design. So, why do some of them fail? Well, consider how the pinblock is = glued to the back assembly. Typically there will be five vertical wood = posts--the back posts--separated by (usually) solid blockers. The grain = of the posts is, of course, vertical. The grain of the blockers is = typically horizontal. Now to this is glued a pinblock of varied = construction. Some of them were multi-ply laminates much like the = so-called modern pinblock. Some were made of relatively thick solids = much like the traditional Steinway blocks. If we were building furniture = we would never use a construction like this because we would know it was = bound to fail. In most cases pinblock/back separation is the result of simple glue = failure and is not in any way related to the plate design. (I've seen a = few exceptions but they are well beyond anything I'm going to try to = write about here.) In modern pianos pinblock/back separation usually = occurs because the original glue bond between the pinblock and the back = assembly was poorly done. Or because the horizontal blockers were left = free to expand and contract next to a multiply pinblock and they simply = worked themselves apart as changing climate conditions caused the = blockers to expand and contract against a relatively stable pinblock.=20 The adhesives used to assemble the modern piano back are typically = phenol- or urea-formaldehyde assembly adhesives. These adhesives dry and = cure to an extremely rigid glueline. They allow no glue line creep. When = properly used they form extremely strong and stable bonds. They require = a very thin glueline for best adhesion, however, becoming quite brittle = and crumbly in thick section. If the glueline is even a little bit on = the thick side, as the blockers expand and contract against the rigid = and brittle glueline bond they simply work themselves apart. This is also the most common cause of pinblock/back separation in the = old upright--regardless of plate configuration--except that the glue = joints were commonly made with somewhat more care and most of them were = made using animal hide glue. Used correctly, animal hide glue is a very = strong and stable adhesive. But, just as with modern adhesives, it was = not always used correctly either. If the glue is old--having been cooked = too long--or is at the wrong temperature--usually too cool--when joint = closure is made the strength of the adhesive strength suffers. As with = phenol and urea adhesives, animal hide glue is a poor gap filler; if the = joint is wide hide glue will become quite brittle and crumbly. Hide glue = also dries to an extremely rigid glueline having no sympathy whatsoever = with the wood blockers need to expand and contract. So. Regardless of plate construction, the structural integrity of the = pinblock and back assembly depends almost entirely on the design and = assembly quality of the back assembly--including the pinblock-to-back = assembly fit--and on the integrity of the glue joints holding them = together. If you have reservations about one of these old pianos you can always = add a few lag bolts running through the pinblock into the backpost. = Don't bother running them into the blockers--they won't do much good = there. Pitch was 100 cents low, almost uniformly from top to bottom (bass = less, high treble more). Can I conclude from this that the piano had = been maintained at below 440? Can a partial plate upright be safely = tuned to 440 or should it be kept at, say, 435? =20 Assuming the rest of the piano is structurally sound, yes. It surely was = to begin with. Pins appear to be original, or at least original size, #2 tip fits = nicely, so re-pinning with oversize pins looks like a possibility. = Again, does the exposed pinblock create any special concerns with this = approach? Plate and case in good condition, no sign of cracks or = separation in pinblock, but most pins don't have much more than the = minimum amount of torque needed to stay at current pitch. =20 No. The exposed pinblock should not create any special concerns with = repining with oversize pins. Or with rebuilding properly and replacing = and/or plugging the pinblock. You'll find that they tune very nicely = with the string coming off the pin so close to the pinblock surface. And, it was 80F and 66%RH today. Sorry to hear about you're heat wave! Though it was pretty warm here = yesterday as well--I think it got up to 72=BA. We all thought about = sweltering but it really has to get above 75=BA for that to be = convincing! -- Del ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/b5/1f/33/81/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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