Fw: newbie questions: stretching

[Kevin E. Ramsey]

OOPPPSSS. I didn't realize that it was a reply.  DOH!  Anyway, good advise
John!

    (oh jeez sometimes I could just crawl under a rock and hide from the
sunlight, oh jeez.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin E. Ramsey" <ramsey@extremezone.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: newbie questions: stretching


>     Look, John, and by the way, welcome newbie. Doesn't sound like a
newbie
> question though. Hmmm.
>
>     All this talk about stretch is really talking about small degrees. In
> the upper treble especially, some people stretch the octave so that it's
> pure at the octave-fifth level, some people tune pure ( or slightly
> stretched ) double octaves. Some even tune octaves so that they're pure to
> the triple octave. If you tune aurally, just tune your last octave a
little
> wide, and you'll probably come close to the same thing.
>     Actually, because of inharmonicity, if you tune all your octaves
"pure",
> you will still introduce "stretch", just not artificial, extra,  stretch.
>     As far as the bass goes, yes it does end up on the wide side of the
> "octave-quint". "What the Piano wants, the Piano gets."
>     Obviously, the quality of your question shows that you are no
"newbie".
> Hope to see your name in print more often.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Meulendijks" <piano@planet.nl>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: newbie questions: stretching
>
>
> > When I get the impression I get to low with my highest treble side, I
tune
> > beatless over three or even four!! octaves. I check if it is beatless in
> the
> > upper octave,
> > and it mostly is. So what is all this talk about stretching. I blame the
> > fysicist who published the results of his research saying that the
> frequency
> > of a upper partial is more than twice, three times etc. You cannot hear
> > that. Because it is all in the system incorporated. You don't need to
> > stretch to make it fit. When it fits it is stretched. You cannot hear
it.
> So
> > actually I blame all the followers of fashion.
> > On the other hand: you can make a deliberate choice to do so because
then
> > you have something to talk about. Some musicians want you to do it, but
I
> > never came across one who said that my treble side was to low. So I
never
> > needed to do so. And again in my opinion I don't strech the treble side.
> > In the bass it is of some importance to my opinion. Because I experience
> > mean sounding intervals as a result of clean octaves. I.e. the quint
> (fifth)
> > and the 5+8. When I stretch to much in the bass I get dirty 10th's. So
how
> > can I match this with your question?? I prefer in the contrabas very
> > beatless octaves, because this is often the way they are played. And
above
> > all I don't want for example F'-a to be more fast than F-a. It spoiles
the
> > feeling of the root of a chord. But attention: my last check is A''-a,
> > Bb''-Bb etc. And Most of the time I don't hear beats. So I only have
> focused
> > on stretching, but not really doing it (I mean upon above the natural
> > stretch that you can't hear.) What puzzles me is that I have the
> impression
> > that the octave plus quint gets oversized in the lower bass, without
beats
> > in the octaves.
> >
> > John Meulendijks
> > Tilburg, the Netherlands.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Charles Neuman <cneuman@phy.duke.edu>
> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:03 PM
> > Subject: newbie questions: stretching
> >
> >
> > > Is stretching the high treble an art or science? That is, do you
balance
> > > the single and double octaves by whether or not it "sounds good", or
do
> > > you go by a specified amount of stretch in cents? I've heard both
> > > opinions.
> > >
> > > If it's more of an art, I would imagine there are those who favor the
> > > single octaves and those that favor the double octaves. Is this the
> case?
> > > Also, do performers ever specify the amount of stretch they like?
> > >
> > > As for the bass, I'm finding that if I tune the bass notes at other
than
> > > beatless octaves, it sounds muddy and out of tune. But then I get
those
> > > horrible sounding 10ths, which I know I should expect. Any advice on
> > > balancing these two problems?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Charles Neuman
> > > Plainview, NY
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>