SV: SV: more on this temperament thing

[Ola Andersson]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: David J. Severance 

> I disagree, there was never alot of atonal jazz.  A few avant garde
> musicians such as Ornette Coleman experimented with atonality 

I can't remember a atonal recording with Ornette Coleman but he have done alot bitonal.

>but the vast
> majority of jazz,classical and western music as a whole then as well as
> now is tonal.

But there is still alot atonal. I still think HT would work fine but I'm also for ET like Ed. 
I don't have Ed's experince though

> These same musicians also dispensed with chordal harmony in their
> improvisations and improvised harmonies but again its way outside the
> mainstream of jazz and not commonly done. But don't take my word for it
> ask some of your jazz musician friends how many atonal pieces they play at
> the club on Saturday night.
> 
> David

I've played alot atonal jazz. Music with out a tonal center. I'm more into basic harmonys this days. I'm a bassplayer and loves to play with out chart and is often (for a jazzmusician) called for doing stunts with out rehersal.
On Saturday nights there's mostly disco here. When the there's a concert there can be atonal music too but less then before. 

I asked my friend who is a known swedish jazzpianist how he wanted his octaves. If he wanted the octave, double octave or trippleoctave in tune. He said he wanted them all in tune:-) This told me he doesn't realy know or care about the tuning as long the piano is tuned. I guess for this guys playing diffrent pianos everyday that ET is OK as a standard, but I'm sure they would get a kick from suddenly playing another temprement giving there songs a new atmosphere. The most importent thing for me is the octaves and not the temprement.

Like Newton, Ric B and Isaac says and as I also noticed is that the old tuners don't tune as equal as us. Maybe computers learned us doing good ET. But since the costumer haven't complained about there old tuners maybe we also should be open to sometimes make the tunings a little uneven. And because we are a computer generation we can make them uneven with knowledge of what we are relly doing. I also think tuning HT helps me learning listen to thirds in such way it helps me finding faults in my ET

Why only tune ET because it's best. What  pianist plays only one piece because it's best

Some of my thoughts

Ola Andersson