This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Wim, You wrote: <<The concept is good, but the result might not be what I want. In order for the treble to sound more in tune, we generally have to stretch the top note a tad. So in a sense, although you can visualize a straight standing triangle, you actually want to have that triable leaning to the right. When I used to tune strictly by ear, I tuned, what I thought, were "perfect" octaves, the kind you are visualizing. My wife, Jan, also tunes, but relies more on the Accutuner. We both tuned for the same customer, a friend from church, who told me that she liked Jan's tuning better. I listened to the tuning, and to my ears, found the top octaves too high. When I started using my Accutuner almost exclusively, (except for unisons), I had to get used to what the machine was telling me. At first I kept trying to bring down the octaves. But now that I am used to it, the octaves do sound much better. >> Thanks for your thoughts. I agree that the top note must be stretched. I try to stretch the octaves by hearing the total sound, probably much in the same way that Virgil teaches. When learning aural tuning, I used the Accutuner, accepted, and liked the stretch that it gives. I tuned one piano with the SAT a few weeks ago, and my ear agreed with it about octaves 6 and 7. To check myself, I closed my eyes and tuned the top note. Generally, it was either right with the SAT or just a little sharper. Perhaps the way I tune out of the temp octave has something to do with it as well. My octaves are at least 4:2, but tend to be more around 6:3. Tuning up that way seems to allow for my style of octave tuning without yielding flat upper octaves. Doing double and triple octave checks, I find that the dbl octave has a slight beat, and I tend toward a purer octave and fifth. So I know my octaves are not flat. Maybe I hear things differently, or just got used to the octave sound of the SAT when I was working with it. I really need to sit down with the SAT, tune a temp octave, tune the rest by ear, and see how it compares with the FAC tuning. At least I'd know if the walk measured up to the talk. :-) Tuning is so individual sometimes. How one person may hear might not be the same way as another, and he may not be able to explain it fully. I know Richard Brekne has been talking a lot about what he hears, and Virgil gets a lot of talk going from his classes. I hope I'm doing it right. It pleases my ears anyway. John M. Formsma Blue Mountain, MS PTG Associate, Memphis Chapter mailto:jformsma@dixie-net.com ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/30/a2/49/25/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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