At 7:54 PM +0100 1/15/02, Richard Brekne wrote: >Some of the Violin stuff I have read so far seems to point in a direction of >these modes being some kind of ... what... "basis resonance framework" which >the string resonances are sort of superimposed on... ?Perhaps that's clumsily >worded. But like I say I have to read a few times through before I think I am >sure of what's being said in these kinds of articles. Yes, thanks Charles! Stephen Birkett put me onto these lectures some months back, since they are mentioned in his modelling proposal as the summit of modern piano knowledge (not _too_ much irony, Stephen!), and they are certainly interesting. I think the Conklin article on longitudinal vibrations in the string has been talked out in another thread and is not really relevant in this discussion. As to the Wogram article, which touches on this discussion, it seems that one of the main aims of the Giordano paper was to disprove Wograms findings, since he covers so much of the same ground in a not very original way, so we are left with Suzuki and Giordano largely in agreement about certain aspects of the natural flexural vibrations of the soundboard and impedance, and still left in some doubt about ther significance of any of them. This is not to bring a plague on all their houses, because there are some very interesting observations and findings both here and in Giordano. Clumsily worded or not, Richard, you seem to have got the drift of these experiments and in a way they are peripheral to our discussion in the first instance, but will become very relevant when, as I hope we shall, we get to consider the role of impedance in the production (I use the word loosely) of sound. As you say, they seem to be talking of the enabling environment or structure that allows the sound to be radiated in the desired fashion. And this is where flexibility or mobility does enter into things in a very important way. The flow of sound through the system is regulated by this impedance, and I have seen both hydraulic and electrical analogies made. To take a car battery as an example, here we have two terminals between which there is a potential difference, or voltage. If we connect the two terminals with a conducting medium, electrical energy flows from one terminal to the other. The energy is always the same in nature, but how much energy flows and the effect is has will depend on what we use to make the connection. The ratio of pressure to flow gives us the 'resistance' of the conductor, and electrical 'impedance' is a similar ratio used in different contexts. Our energy is sound energy, and how much of it flows and how much is held back (absorbed or reflected) is determined by the harmonic "framework" so to speak. At the same time there are the natural flexural vibrations of the soundboard to be taken into account -- and there are some interesting examples in the articles of how this can be a nuisance. We do not want notes to set up resonances at the natural frequencies of the structure...that's putting it very roughly and I don't want to go into detail about this because I still need to understand a lot about these relationships. JD
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