This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hi Susan, Impact, when referring to anything other than the Mahaffy style, is = trully not impact but rather a jerk. I use the term impact becuase most = that I talk to seem to grasp the concept quicker, after all who wants to = jerk a tuning pin <G> My own tuning began with the cigar style extension hammer and later for = 10 years the Mahaffy's impact hammer. Jerry Raz had the first ( what I = call Grand T ) impact hammer at the Milwakee convention. I tried to buy = it but had to go to my room to get the money and by the time I found him = again it was sold. 10 years or so later I had Mike Swendsen make the design you mention for = me. Since then I think that I have made some improvements in the impact = center ( not a roll pin ) and will have a new model soon as well as an = improved cigar style extension hammer that will double as a wand style = using 1/2" hex steel for the shaft. Joe Goss imatunr@srvinet.com www.mothergoosetools.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SUSAN P SWEARINGEN=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Tuning Hammer and Technique for Novice I'm a fairly new tuner and had the opportunity to really practice with = a variety of tuning hammers and tuning styles. For what it is worth, = here is my recommendation. First off, I agree that the impact method is the best method. = Impacting the pin, when done properly, leaves very little twist and = bending in the pin. However, I can't imagine why anyone would want to = use an impact technique with a traditional lever or a Wonderwand. If = one wants to impact tune a piano, in my opinion, the only reasonable way = to do this is to use an impact hammer and not a traditional hammer. The = impact hammer lets physics work for you. I have heard people complain = that the impact method is better suited for pitch adjustments but I = disagree. You can fine tune with an impact hammer to a very great = accuracy - although it does take a little practice. The problem here is that impact hammers and impact hammer techniques = are not widely available. Schaff does sell an impact hammer - the one = with the adjustable weight, but I have found it very difficult to use as = it wobbles and the weight is way to heavy (with all due respect to = Schaff - I love their service). =20 I recently bought an impact lever through Keith Bowman and feel his = design is just about perfect. I have a heavy weight and a lighter = weight I can screw on the tip. I use the heavier weight for pitch = raises (I pitch raise every string that is more than 4 cents off) and = the lighter weight for fine tuning. I've been using a technique = recommended to me by Dean Reyburn, whereby you move the pin above and = below the target pitch in smaller and smaller increments, finally moving = the pin into tune by a small clockwise direction. This helps ensure = that the tension between the pin and pressure bar is at (or very = slightly higher) than the tension in the singing length, making for = better stability. Another complaint I have heard is that people don't want to have to = learn two hammer techniques since the impact hammer is not suitable to = grands, only to verticals. I felt the same way until I had Mike = Swendsen of Canada make me a T-impact hammer for grands. This hammer = works beautifully and Mike did a wonderful job in designing it. Yes, = you have to carry two different hammers in your kit, but that hasn't = been an issue at all for me. I love the impact method but have not been able to master it with = traditional tuning levers. If you are serious about impacting the pin, = please consider using the most appropriate hammer for this technique, = the impact hammer. I would love to hear additional comments on this. Corte Swearingen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Billbrpt@AOL.COM=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: Tuning Hammer and Technique for Novice List,=20 Yesterday, while completing the Pinblock Doping job, a newer = subscriber to this List and a resident of Madison, Wisconsin, Tyler = Smith dropped by to introduce himself. He is interested in learning the = Piano Tuning and Technology trade.=20 His first concern is about acquiring a tuning hammer. He expressed = reluctance at getting a "student" hammer from Schaff Piano Supply, = concerned that it would be inferior and perhaps wear out prematurely. I = told him that such a basic tool was not necessarily a bad one, however. = What it is, is light weight and some technicians prefer something far = more massive.=20 I used such a hammer for many years and personally prefer a lighter = weight hammer. When I decided to try Charles Huether's WonderWand ball = end hammer, I instantly took to it and it has been my choice for over 10 = years now. I have seen other opinions about this, however, at least one = in which the writer said he couldn't understand how anyone could use one = and get a piano tuned. I think the difference in preferences boils down = to heavy or light, long or short, springy or stiff, ball end or = conventional handle.=20 We also discussed hammer technique. I think most people would start = with a concept of slow pull as I did. I know that there are some = excellent tuners who use a slow pull technique, so I can't say that it = is wrong. But what I learned from George Defebaugh and Jim Coleman at = the 1979 Convention in Minneapolis was an impact type technique which I = quickly converted to and have used ever since.=20 I remember George explaining that an impact type technique was the = most mechanically correct and appropriate way to move the piano string. = His reasoning made sense to me and thus that kind of technique has = worked for me. However, when I am trying to help someone learn to tune = better, the student will often feel discouraged that he or she cannot = seem to "pop" a string into tune with a single stroke the way I often = can. That is where practice and experience allow me to tune very rapidly = and accurately but those skills took many years to acquire.=20 In the end, I advise the student that he or she must find what kind = of hammer and technique seem to work for them. If one kind or style is = tried and it doesn't seem to be working out, then maybe another will. I = often see people write of the difficulty and frustration with tuning a = Steinway vertical. I never have any trouble with them at all but it is = because I think I have found the proper tool and technique to defeat = what otherwise is a maddeningly difficult piano to tune.=20 Let's hear some opinions about the best way to get started with a = tuning hammer and technique. I don't expect everyone to agree with my = opinion and I even welcome a well reasoned opinion that is in direct = conflict with mine. I think it is best for a student and everyone = really, to at least understand a different point of view.=20 My current tuning hammer is well worn and due for replacement. What = I think I'd like to do is try Joe Goss' ball end tuning hammer. My = question is if it is light, medium weight or heavy. I don't want a = heavy hammer because that would cut down on my speed. I'm inclined to = buy another WonderWand and let Tyler try my old one for a while but I am = intrigued with trying Joe's hammer. Joe, can you tell us a little about = your ball end hammer and why you think it may be better than the = WonderWand?=20 Bill Bremmer RPT=20 Madison, Wisconsin=20 Click here: -=3Dw w w . b i l l b r e m m e r . c o m =3D-=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/17/27/dd/be/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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