loose pinblocks - C/A glue ?????

[Joe And Penny Goss]

Richard ,There has to be something else going on with the piano you treated.
We have several pianos that are 10 years out treated with CA and all but one
remain in fine tuning shape without further effort. The one that did not
respond had several very loose pins I believe due to delaminating of the pin
block ( upright ) and required three further treatments before the pin would
hold like their brothers and sisters. The individual pins were treated using
a paper dam to keep the glue from running down onto the bass string
windings. Second and third treatments can be made after the glue has set
becuase by moving the pin one breaks loose the glue from the pin or
mostlikely the pin block and the glue can travel into the void if it is the
super thin. Any time the glue you are using just stands and does not wick
into the pin block in seconds there is something amiss.
Best wishes in your tuning endeavors
Joe Goss
imatunr@srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strang" <rstrang@pa.inter.net>
To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: RE: loose pinblocks - C/A glue ?????


> Permanent: Staying tight as long as the original pins?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On
> Behalf Of Joe And Penny Goss
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: Pianotech
> Subject: Re: loose pinblocks - C/A glue ?????
>
>
> Define permanent <G>
> Joe Goss
> imatunr@srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Strang" <rstrang@pa.inter.net>
> To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:45 PM
> Subject: RE: loose pinblocks - C/A glue ?????
>
>
> > I bought 8 ounces of the thin CA from Dryburg especially for the job. I
> lay
> > the piano on it's back and let the glue well around the pins. It never
> went
> > anywhere, except for down on the dampers when I lifed the piano back up.
> > What a mess.
> >    I have read about many technicians who have had good luck with the CA
> > approach. It didn't work for me. I also tried it on a single loose pin
in
> a
> > Steinway D, and once again, it did not make it past the plate bushing. I
> > ended up shimming about 30 pins in that Steinway to make it tuneable.
> That's
> > a permanent fix, CA is not.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On
> > Behalf Of Joe And Penny Goss
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:43 AM
> > To: Pianotech
> > Subject: Re: loose pinblocks - C/A glue ?????
> >
> >
> > Hi Richard,
> > I am supprised to hear that you had no luck with CA.
> > One thing you need to remember is that the glue has a shelf life that is
> > about 3 months long  if storred in a cool dry place. That includes the
> time
> > that the glue was in the store you purchased it from. The thin will turn
> > into medium, the medium to thick and the thick into rock hard over time.
> >
> > Dryburg glues are the freshest you can get as the supply is continually
> > turned over with fresh glue.
> > Joe Goss
> > imatunr@srvinet.com
> > www.mothergoosetools.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Strang" <rstrang@pa.inter.net>
> > To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:10 AM
> > Subject: RE: loose pinblocks - C/A glue ?????
> >
> >
> > > I tried CA on a spinet a while back. It was a waste of time. The glue
> did
> > > not make it past the plate bushings and made a mess. I eventually
> repinned
> > > the whole piano. No more loose pins.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Richard Oliver Snelson
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:15 AM
> > > To: Pianotech
> > > Subject: Re: loose pinblocks - C/A glue ?????
> > >
> > >
> > > Use very thin CA. Tilt verticals back a bit. Treat around each pin
till
> > > wet. Wait about 15 min. Tune the piano. Simple. Rich
> > >
> > > > Ron & Lorene Shiflet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good morning Liszt,
> > > >     Just a quick question.   Has anyone had any success doping a
> > > > pinblock with CA glue?  If so, what viscocities???did you use
> > > > accelerator???how deep does it seep in???etc...etc???
> > > >     I just heard about it the other day and I don't remember where.
> > > > I've actually thought about it for years but never thought it would
> > > > seep in deep enough to work.  Then comes the problem of curing CA
glue
> > > > deep in wood (pinblock) without accelerator.  Any thoughts would be
> > > > appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Ron Shiflet
> > > > rlshiflet@cableone.net
> > > >
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