OT More Realistic Test was RE: tuning exam in U.S.

bruce greig bgreig@nyc.rr.com
Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:40:52 -0400


Avery,

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeup!  It was 1981 on the Yamaha upright (U1 maybe?) in the
apartment of our late friend, Newton Hunt, assisted by Mike Miccio & Evan
Giller, all CTEs I believe.  The verdict was " whadaya think guys?  .....he
can tune".   I'm proud to believe I have not let them down.

ah, the good ole days.....I think machines took over the next year.
Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Avery Todd" <avery@ev1.net>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: OT More Realistic Test was RE: tuning exam in U.S.


> Bruce,
>
> You took your tuning test on a vertical??????? I'm a CTE and as far as I
> know, NO one takes their tuning exam on a vertical!
>
> Avery
>
> At 01:06 PM 06/22/03 -0400, you wrote:
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> >Alan, Thanks for the humor - some days there just isn't
> >enough  -  actually, I did take my tuning exam on a Yamaha vertical
> >without benefit of acutuner - just 3 pairs of RPT ears.  Bruce
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net>Alan
> >>To: <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org>'Pianotech'
> >>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 12:51 AM
> >>Subject: OT More Realistic Test was RE: tuning exam in U.S.
> >>
> >>I think it would be a much more realistic test-with regard to the
reality
> >>of the tuner's life--if we were required to tune a 1940's-1960's spinet
> >>(Betsy Ross, Winter & Sons, P.A. Stark or comparable). No Acusonics!
> >>Wurlitzers may suffice if they've been stored in a garage with broken
> >>windows in Louisiana or Saskatchewan for at least twenty years.
> >>
> >>The passing requirement would be that a panel of amateur musicians can
> >>recognize the sound of it as something at least sort of a little bit
kind
> >>of musical in nature. If more than two panel members cry, moan, or run
> >>from the room, you flunk.
> >>
> >>And the selected piano would have to be in reasonable condition, defined
> >>as follows (additional rules interspersed):
> >>
> >>    * No more than six missing strings; no more than two of which may be
> >> single bass strings. No more than five bichord sets may have strings
> >> that match in diameter, length of wrap, and degree of rustiness.
> >>    * Some felt must be visible between hammer molding and strings on at
> >> least 1/3" of the treble notes. No more than 8 felts popped off bass
> >> hammers. Tenor hammer grooves less than ½" deep, on average.
> >>    * When played, bass strings must make some sort of noise that
> >> sustains for at least 0.27 seconds. If the hammer thwack reverberates
> >> this long, it must not be louder than the string noise.
> >>    * At least one pedal must move up and down when pressed (sideways
> >> movement does not count but is otherwise allowed).
> >>    * Broken key tops with sharp edges are allowed. The prospective RPT
> >> should have a supply of Band-Aids on hand or on foot. Band-Aids may NOT
> >> be used to repair or muffle any piano part!
> >>    * When pressed, at least 37 keys must come back up within two
minutes
> >> WITHOUT excessive help from the player. Thumping the piano with a fist
> >> is permitted; screw drivers and pry bars are not.
> >>    * Bench must not completely collapse when sat upon by persons with
> >> average-sized, average weight buttocks.
> >>    * Squeaks, rattles, and woody thunks must not be louder, on average,
> >> than played notes.
> >>    * If the tuner is unable to open the lid, remove the front panel, or
> >> otherwise gain access to the tuning pins within three hours, he or she
> >> is permitted to ask the piano owner how the hell previous tuners did
it.
> >>    * If A4 is more than 153 cents sharp or flat, the tuner is allowed
an
> >> extra ten minutes for a pitch adjustment but he must not charge the
> >> piano owner any extra for this.
> >>    * Bridges must still be stuck to something inside the piano.
> >>    * There must be no more than one inch of plastic elbow dust and
mouse
> >> poop (combined) on the bottom board. Measurements will be taken in
> >> eleven locations and averaged. Dead spiders may be removed before
> >> measuring; leave the live ones alone. Local chapters may decide if
snake
> >> skins and/or snakes may be removed or must be measured. Note: If the
> >> bottom board is missing or all debris has sifted through a humongous
> >> crack in the board, this requirement may be waved.
> >>    * If the pinblock is in average condition or worse, the tuner is
> >> allowed an extra twenty minutes of tuning time and may use up to three
> >> liquids, four sheets of sandpaper, and a 2½ lb. sledge hammer to fine
> >> tune the instrument. Note: If the tuner accidentally (or purposefully)
> >> affixes any protruding part of his or her body to any part of the piano
> >> or to any tool, he or she must continue with the test as best he or she
> >> can-using his or her other hand or doing it with his or her forehead
> >> "resting" on the bench, for example. The tuner is discouraged from
> >> holding tools with his or her teeth as this is considered undignified.
> >> If the tuner accidentally (or purposefully) affixes his or her teeth to
> >> any part of the piano, he or she is immediately disqualified and all
> >> observers will leave the room so the tuner can work out his or her
problem.
> >>    * Finally, there will be no effort made to "de-tune" the piano prior
> >> to the test as this process, however random or planned, would almost
> >> certainly make the piano sound better.
> >>
> >>
> >>Faked medical emergencies will not stop the test from proceeding!  If
> >>there appears to be actual loss of consciousness AND the skin assumes a
> >>deep blue color, the committee chairman may ask the judging panel to
> >>"hurry it along," just in case.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Bribes are a private matter. It would be of questionable taste to
discuss
> >>financial arrangements or flash any cash in front of the whole group.
> >>Personal checks will not be accepted. For your convenience, there will
be
> >>credit card terminals in the back of the room on the table next to where
> >>the Grief Counselors and uninvited street bums are sitting. (The
> >>counselors will have special name tags, the bums will have ordinary name
> >>tags, just like yours.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>And-this is important-during the test evaluation, the tuner (and any
> >>possible accomplices) are strictly forbidden from humming, whacking a
> >>chair leg with a spoon, or in any other manner trying to simulate (or
> >>cover up) sounds coming from the alleged piano.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>After all, we have our standards.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Alan R. Barnard
> >>
> >>Salem, MO
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On
> >>Behalf Of Dave Nereson
> >>Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 10:05 PM
> >>To: Pianotech
> >>Subject: Re: tuning exam in U.S.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <mailto:alanforsyth@fortune4.fsnet.co.uk>Alan Forsyth
> >>To: <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org>Pianotech
> >>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:49 PM
> >>Subject: Tuning narrow and wide
> >>
> >>Tony Caught, Adelaide Australia wrote;
> >>
> >> >>>"In America when you sit for a tuning exam, can you do the exam on a
> >>Yamaha U1 piano ?....">>>
> >>
> >>Probably the easiest piano in the world to tune aurally!
> >>
> >>No, our Piano Technicians Guild tuning exam requires a 6-foot or larger
> >>grand in reasonably good condition.
> >>     --David Nereson, RPT
> >>
> >>
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