This Needs A Definitive Settlement was RE: 12 cents

[Greg Newell]

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John,
         I wholeheartedly agree. I for one am very glad I'm not personally=
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paying for what some on this list consider to be necessary. Seems to me=20
like more sales than service. For the vast majority of our collective=20
clientelle this is WAY overkill IMO. I would even go as far to say that it=
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puts a black mark on our profession. Perhaps those that do this should=20
continue to change their motor oil every 100-200 miles until it begins to=20
runs clean. Perhaps that illustrates my point somewhat loosely.

Greg Newell



At 04:54 PM 6/30/2003, you wrote:

>I can see in a concert situation, being this fussy.
>But I feel for the majority of people, this is overkill. Especially if it=
 is
>in an area that has short term humidity changes.
>It is really overkill, for the people that have them tuned every 5 or 10
>years, whether they need it or not.
>I am talking as someone, that does not just tune grands, and tune them
>multiple times a year, and say a pitch raise is needed for some small over,
>or under amount of cents. Maybe some people would notice, but I don't think
>I ever ran into any of them.
>Lets face it the humidity variations day to day, can make some difference,
>so is it really worth it to be so picky? If the customer mentions it, yes.
>How many of you have had a customer complain about a piano being off a
>couple of cents?
>  Unisons being off, yes.
>Are some people trying to impress others, about how exact they are?
>Should I, or shouldn't I send this??
>Awe what the heck, why not. :-)
>Regards,
>John M. Ross
>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
>jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Thomas Cole" <tcole@cruzio.com>
>To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 4:27 PM
>Subject: Re: This Needs A Definitive Settlement was RE: 12 cents
>
>
> > I'm not aware of any science other than what Dr. Sanderson has done, but
> > I remember hearing about a demonstration of string settling that was
> > performed at Tuners Supply, Sunnyvale, CA some years back (by one of the
> > early California settlers ;-).
> >
> > An old upright was pitch raised to 440, after which the back of the
> > soundboard was pounded vigorously with a rubber mallet, along the line
> > of the long bridge, and it was later found that the tuning had slipped
> > significantly.
> >
> > I'm not suggesting this as a method of doing single-visit pitch raises
> > as it probably wouldn't go over well with most owners - this was only a
> > demonstration, after all, and it tends to verify what Ron N. posted
> > about friction across the bridge.
> >
> > Another thought is that if a tuner were to delay the second tuning for a
> > couple of weeks, it might not help matters much of the piano were not
> > played during that interval. If the pitch raise is not challenged by
> > pounding or significant weather changes, I would doubt that a majority
> > of the strings are going to ooze through the bridge pins on their own.
> > So it may be a judgment call whether it's better to come back for the
> > fine tuning.
> >
> > An interesting experiment, which might even work in the field, would be
> > to apply some kind of vibration to the soundboard after a pitch raise.
> > You could warn the customer about the unusual noise it would produce,
> > and it wouldn't look like you were trying to destroy the instrument.
> >
> > Tom Cole
> >
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > >Don wrote: "...if you pitch correct a piano ... and then tune it ...=
 you
> > >may find that you wish you had waited to do the fine tuning. Piano
> > >frames shift. Sometimes this shift is very dramatic at the bass break=
 or
> > >other areas."
> > >
> > >I may be wrong (always a distinct possibility) but didn't Dr. Sanderson
> > >and others test this whole business and determine that all changes to
> > >the piano caused by changing string tensions are immediate?
> > >
> > >I'd have to go back and look, but I'm pretty certain that Randy Potter
> > >has cited this information and stated, in effect, that the time-honored
> > >belief that pianos needed to "settle" following a pitch correction was
> > >not correct.
> > >
> > >As this issue has a definite impact on the way we conduct business, I'd
> > >like to see a definitive answer here, not just opinions or anecdotal
> > >experiences.
> > >
> > >Anything, anyone?
> > >
> > >Alan Barnard
> > >Salem, MO
> > >
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