Charles, It sounds to me like you're right on target. When I started, two hours was relatively standard for even a simple tuning. Now I'm frequently in and out of the house in an hour. My responses: It usually takes about fifteen seconds for me to retrieve a mute from the bottom of the piano. If you couldn't spare that much time, you were *very much* in a hurry! <G> Since you live in New York, *any* piano tuned during this exceedingly long and very cold winter will be even sharper than normal in the summer, unless the humidity is controlled in some way. This winter I am finding nearly every piano much flatter than normal, even if I tuned it in March a year agoand even if the piano has a history being close to where I tuned it a year ago. So I do an awful lot of pitch floating. If the piano is located directly by a heat source, that is going to make the problem even worse. Whenever I find this situation, I inform the customer not only of the problem with tuning but also that this may end up causing expensive damage, and I suggest they move it to a better location if they can, or at least try to shield the back of the piano from the heat behind/under it as much as possible. You might want to tell them that also. Regards, Clyde Hollinger, RPT Lititz, PA, USA Charles Neuman wrote: > I had my first two "real" customers recently (i.e. paying customers who I > didn't know). I learned a few things: > > 1) Both customers wanted me to be done after about 1.5 hours. It took me 2 > hours to tune one piano and to fix a slow key. On the other piano, it took > me 2.5 hours to do a 120 cent pitch raise and a fine tuning. So in the > future I think I'll warn ahead of time how much time I need. > > 2) Since I left in a hurry, each customer got a free mute in the bottom of > their piano. From now on, I'm tying two mutes together with string. > > 3) It's all about the unisons. > > 4) About that 120 cent pitch raise: As I was closing up the piano, I > noticed heat from the electric baseboard heater right behind the piano. > What's going to happen in the summer? Will the piano be 120 cents sharp? > The fact is, the piano hadn't been tuned for 7 years, so much of the 120 > cents might be from that. I wonder how much is from the dry heat, though. > The piano was surprisingly in tune with itself for not being tuned in 7 > years. Kimball spinet. Not so bad. There was a little rust on the > strings, but I used a tiny amount of CLP and also dropped pitch before > raising. No broken strings. > > 5) Using Tunelab for the pitch raise: You need to set your tuning curve > before doing the pitch raise. But measuring inharmonicity is not accurate > when a note is 120 cents flat as the harmonic structure is different than > it will be when the note is in tune. So, you can rough tune the notes > you'll meausure. Problem: You don't have a tuning curve yet, so how do you > tune them? The Tunelab manual suggests using a generic tuning curve to > rough tune the notes you'll use to measure inharmonicity. Since I haven't > made a generic tuning curve yet, what I did was just took the measurements > as the notes were (but matching up the piano's C# with Tunelab's C). Then > after the pitch raise, I measured inharmonicity again and made a new > tuning curve for the fine tuning. It worked out well. The fine tuning > didn't require too much change, expect maybe in the top octave. But > everything else was amazingly close. > > 6) It's hard work. But then you get paid! :) > > Charles Neuman > PTG Assoc, Long Island > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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