Tuning question (was Pianotech list)

[Jonathan Finger]

Dave, 
For the most part, I'm only taking 2 passes if the piano is
significantly flat (more than 4 cents depending on piano).  In this
case, you're basically tuning it twice.  So yes, I would tune the
unisons each time.  If I don't, I would expect that they would move more
than the center strings after the second pass (since the center strings
were raised, and the unisons were not).

Tuning aurally is great, and I think it's wonderful that you're learning
those fundamentals rather than rely solely on your ETD.  I use
PocketRCT, and love it, but I still use aural checks and fundamentals to
check my work.  The ETD is a tool, not a tuner. :)

Checks that I like?  3rd-10th check, contiguous 3rds, m3rd-M3rd check
(to check a 5th), 3rd-6th check (to check a 4th).
Also something that's pretty quick while working with the ETD, is simply
to listen to 4ths and 5ths, and how they fit respectively into their
octaves.  This sometimes takes a bit of experience to figure out how you
"want" them to sound, but can be a pretty quick way to check with your
ear what the ETD's doing.  If you find something you don't like, you can
use some of the other checks mentioned to troubleshoot the problem.

Hope that helps a bit  (and hope it stays on topic... these things have
a tendency to drift!) 

:P



Jonathan Finger RPT

-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf Of Dave Davis
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:39 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Tuning question (was Pianotech list)

Hi Gang,

Okay, I have legitimate piano related questions to
whet the Pianotech appetite.  (For those who are still
here).

I've been tuning with RCT for less than a year and am
now seriously studying the art of aural tuning.  In
reading the PTG Tuning Exam Source Book, I've found a
couple of nagging questions.  

#1.  In making "2 passes" to tune the piano, do most
people include tuning the unisons in each pass, or
just the temperament and octaves, then the unisons in
the second pass?  (pretending the piano is within 4
cents of A-440)

#2.  I'm overwhelmed with all the different tests
involved in checking the treble and bass.  What are
the most effective tests used by the masses in every
day tuning?

I'm planning to take the RPT Tuning Exam later this
year and am practicing up a storm to get it down
right.  According to the RCT, I'm catching on pretty
well.  

If this goes well and doesn't raise political or moral
posts, I'll have more questions in a few days.

Thanks,

Dave Davis
Renton, WA
Puget Sound Chapter


--- Avery Todd <avery@ev1.net> wrote:
> Charles,
> 
> Even though I agree with what you said, it shouldn't
> be necessary to do that
> just to stay on the list and not be inundated with
> "stuff"! Maybe I'm just
> "living in the past", so to speak, but I don't
> remember us ever having all
> this many problems in the early years of the list.
> Why are we now? Why
> are there so many people on the list posting stuff
> that offends and alienates
> so many people?
> 
> I have a very high tolerance for this kind of
> off-topic stuff because I know
> how to use the delete button but why should it be
> necessary?????? And
> even I'm getting tired of it! I like to "attempt" a
> little one-liner type 
> of joke
> every now and then but I've never posted the kind of
> things that have been
> on the list in the last year or so! Why are we
> having it now? I wish I knew
> the answer!
> 
> Avery
> 
> At 06:48 PM 03/16/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Some suggestions for handling pianotech:
> >
> >1) You can view the archives and read only the
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> >2) You can post a question and view only responses
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> >
> >3) You can get the digest version. If you scroll
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> >
> >Charles Neuman
> >PTG Assoc, Long Island
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, James Ellis wrote:
> > > A week or so ago, I sent a memo to the PTG-L
> list regarding a technical
> > > problem.  I was informed by one individual that
> I was out of order, and
> > > that it should have been sent to the Pianotech
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> > > Since that time, I have kept a log of the number
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> > > Anyway, I can't put up with this, so I am
> un-subscribing from Pianotech as
> > > soon as I send this message.  I'll stay with
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> > > Sincerely, Jim Ellis, RPT
> > >
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