Upright Wippen Rebuilding Questions: Felt glue and spoon lube.

[Isaac OLEG]

no pastes on felts, they are a mess and with time the dust they
inevitably catch will use the spoons' nickel,and they tend to create
noises too !.

I use spray lube on the spoons, it helps a tad. Bad results with pro
lube that became gummy and non lubricant after some time, as CLP I
should say.

May be we will eventually discover that these teflon based products in
solvents react in some way on some material that turn them gummy
(nickel ?

Best

Isaac OLEG

Entretien et réparation de pianos.

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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
> part de Farrell
> Envoyé : jeudi 20 mars 2003 02:01
> À : Pianotech
> Objet : Re: Upright Wippen Rebuilding Questions: Felt glue and spoon
> lube.
>
>
> I did the wippen heel action cloth replacement today. A
> little dab of hot hide glue at each end of the rectangular
> area, apply cloth, hold for about one minute while applying
> glue to next wippen, set down. Turned out great. Very easy.
> That hot hide glue grabs and sets FAST!
>
> To the best of my knowledge, Protek makes three products:
> CPL for center pins, damper guide rail bushings,
> underlevers, key pins and capstans; PROlube for the keybed,
> keyframe, keypins and grand damper wires; and Multi-Purpose
> Lubricant - a grease-type lubricant - for wood-to-wood,
> wood-to-metal and metal-to-metal applications.
>
> Which of these are you referring to - or is there another
> Protek product?
>
> Terry Farrell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com>
> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Upright Wippen Rebuilding Questions: Felt glue
> and spoon lube.
>
>
> > Kerry,
> >      Unless you are a fanatical stickler for
> > historicity, I recommend that you use a very thick
> > PVC-E type glue for your wippen cloths, such as can be
> > readily bought at fabric stores as "Aileen's Twice as
> > Tacky", etc.. They are the very easiest to use for all
> > types of felt and cloth, almost paste in consistency,
> > quick grip, dry clear and are easily removed with a
> > damp rag in the future, if desired.
> >      I also recommend the thicker Protek paste ( such
> > as is recommended for key pins )for the spoons.
> > Shouldn't corrode anything, very slippery.
> >    Thump
> >
> > --- Kerry Cooper <brispiano@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I will be installing new jacks and attached
> > > flanges. Is it best to simply
> > > apply hide glue, stick together and let dry? Or are
> > > their any significant
> > > secrets to the process?
> > >
> > > You can use hide glue or Tite-bond.
> > >
> > > > I will be replacing heel/capstan action cloth. Is
> > > hide glue applied over
> > > the entire cloth/wood surface? Or is it just applied
> > > at the forward and back
> > > ends of the action cloth so that there is no glue
> > > between the cloth and
> > > wooden wippen heel?
> > >
> > > Glue is applied only to forward and back ends only.
> > > This stops any future
> > > noise that might arise due to glue soaking into the
> > > Box/action cloth.
> > >
> > > > The spoons are tarnished a bit. I would rather not
> > > replace if I can make
> > > like new easily. I can simply give them a second or
> > > two on the buffing wheel
> > > and they will be shiny as ever - but what about the
> > > surface metal left -
> > > will it corrode faster than a new spoon? Can I coat
> > > the buffed spoon with
> > > Emrlon (or something like that - thought I had seen
> > > it in Schaff catalog for
> > > coating capstans - couldn't find it again) or
> > > something else?
> > >
> > > Buff spoons, and light coat of mutton fat. Just a
> > > smear to protect from air.
> > >
> > > Kerry
> > >
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