This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Re: Accu-Tuner adHi David, Have seen also some "old school" high class tuners working with strip mutes, I can name a few that are almost worldwide knew. (Fabrinni for instance). Always seen by "one mute" only tuners like a strange thing, but they produce very good tunings also of course ! Indeed working with 1 mute is another world of tone than the strip , but it helps nowadays to have a second or a 3d ! Don't you check tone with 2 strings (not 3) on some occasion ? I could never be so used to the long muting strip, but I take it for time reasons on pitch changes or PR, was never totally convinced with the global homogeneity , or character of the tuning when using a strip mute. On the other hand when tuning with "one mute only" we easely get caught in our perception, and produce less compromizing in the more singing parts of the piano, favourizing to the most our prefered intervals, then the high treble is often tuned lower, toning well when played in octaves, but too low against the middle of the piano (that we tend to over strech in large rooms often is not it ?). If one stick to the fast beatings interval progression only, he produce a very good "just" tuning but it does not put in front the instrument soul as much. If one stick to the piano Ih, the instrument is toning very well, but the tuning/temperament can lack "personality" (as obtained with pure temperament tuning and the VT). I believe that tuning with respect of the slower intervals color is giving a more warm tuning than respect of faster ones (more brillant or more "German type") In the basses, we are really obliged to follow the quality of tone, that is why only a multi partial device goes in the good direction, not trying to tune extra large basses it the strings are sounding poorly on higher partials for instance The fact that our ears are pleasureables is in fact a handicap for tuning, many instrumenst when they"talk" to me tell me "please needle me" or tweak that regulation. That is why I spend so much time for a "tuning", I have to force myself to make some "tuning days" where I tune only, ans as fast as hell, to fight my natural tendency to try to obtain a very nice tone on any piano whatever state and brand is. (15 /20 min a tuning was the last score !) Did you try the VT BTW ? Best Regards. Pianomania Isaac OLEG accordeur - reparateur - concert 19 rue Jules Ferry 94400 VITRY sur SEINE oleg-i@noos.fr tel: fax: mobile: 033 01 47 18 06 98 33 01 47 18 06 90 033 06 60 42 58 77 Powered by Plaxo Want a signature like this? -----Message d'origine----- De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la part de David Andersen Envoye : dimanche 9 novembre 2003 07:51 A : Pianotech Objet : Re: Accu-Tuner ad on 11/7/03 10:30 PM, Erwinspiano@aol.com at Erwinspiano@aol.com wrote: Anyone understand what I mean? Please be gentle... Wayne Lutzow Lincoln, CA Sacramento Valley PTG Wayne I applaud you for your candor honesty, & truthful assessment of your own tuning. You can obviously hear & have an intuitive idea as to what it is a well laid out tuning sounds like. With these qualities you will find what you're looking for. Peter Clark is a good friend of mine & also one of the finest tuners, & vouchers I've ever worked with. I would ask him to give you some guidance. He's a generous helpful person & has done much teaching in your area. You must use your ears to check your tuning which means developing aural skills to the point that they can overrides the defects & inconsistencies of ETD's. Dale Erwin Good job, Wayne. Just keep going, and trust your ears; they're so much more reliable, and pleasurable, than trusting a silicon-based device. By all means, find a mentor whose tunings blow you away. Beg him or her to let you hang around and listen. You will learn so much; your body will learn so much. About 15 months ago, on this list, I was challenged to take the final "step out on the tightrope" as an aural tuner---completely old school, with just one mute, one fork, one tuning hammer. So I did. And, after an initial harrowing couple of weeks, I started to get comfortable with the finality of it----and then the doors literally blew open to a whole new world of precision and musicality in my tuning. It sounded good to me before, but now it sounds----well---perfect: liquid, swelling, blooming tones, everything is such calm and beautiful balance, peace and harmony in every key, every chord voicing; the "money area" floating out above the rest of the piano with so much character and color....the world-class pianists I've been tuning for over the years have definitely noticed, and commented. I've seen the absolute truth of Virgil Smith's statement that a solid, precise, whole-tone musical tuning can cause a tremendous psycho-acoustic illusion in the player----the regulation feels better, the voicing sounds better----but all that's been done is the tuning. Amazing. Please understand I'm not advocating failing to regulate or voice---far from it---but I'm just making a point. Becoming a world-class tuner will guarantee a comfortable income and big respect in your local piano circles. I guarantee it. <g> David Andersen Malibu, CA ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/31/f4/d0/dc/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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