Pitch Raise, was: Standard Pitch

[Isaac sur Noos]

Hello David,

Your damper's time impress me, for keys, I count on 6 hours to do a
complete keyboard, but I clean the sides, buff the ivories, and have a
little supplement time because of inserting the bushing in the
capsule.

What I've find is that anyway we need to allow the wood to dry after
moistening, so we have to leave the parts a day with the cauls in.

Of course not always possible.

What is your favorite process to clean the pins ? I find that to be a
too long job if they are a little dirty, and it is not always possible
to change them easely.

BTW, the rivet pliers works fine to extract the balance pins, but the
jaws inside  the tool may be drilled to accomodate the different pin
sizes.

Your hammer flange repin time seem well in the official times, as for
instance a pinning job is sold us around $70 (Abel in Germany).

I guess that using long centers (and not pre cut ones) , as it burnish
the felt while passing (avoid burnisher use) , helps to cut the time
even more  .

And yes, since I ream one way only (same than the original insertion
of the center) , I've find results more consistent and rarely have to
use 2 sizes up centers.

Greetings


Isaac OLEG

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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
> part de David Love
> Envoye : samedi 11 octobre 2003 04:06
> A : Pianotech
> Objet : Re: Pitch Raise, was: Standard Pitch
>
>
> Hello Joe:
>
> While I've got you in the tuning area--takes me about an
> hour to tune, add
> fifteen minutes for a pitch raise.   I don't think my
> tunings suffer for
> stability.  But it takes me 3 hours to do the bushings
> including sizing the
> balance rail pin after steaming, polishing the balance and
> front rail pins
> before reinstalling the keys (not counting pick up and
> delivery).  Takes me
> about the same to replace a set of keytops depending on how
> easily the old
> ones come off--I do use the moulded tops btw (again, not
> counting pick up
> and delivery).  I'm with you on resurfacing the hammers
> depending on how
> bad they are.  Dampers depend on what's done.  When doing a
> damper job I
> almost always rebush the damper guide rail including new
> felt on the feet
> and a coat of shellac on the wood, change the upstop felt,
> clean and polish
> the heads and wires, remove and check the underlevers for
> pinning and
> weight, replace the tray felt, relocate the spring if
> necessary, change the
> leather in the trapwork, replace the trap pins or clean and
> polish, open up
> the lyre and inspect the pedals changing the bushing cloth
> if necessary as
> well as the rest cushions, polish the pedal rods (or replace with
> adjustable), replace the lyre guide felt if worn, replace
> the rod cups
> install damper felt and regulate, and if the key end felt
> is worn I replace
> that as well.  Did I forget anything?  For all that... a
> day and a half.
> Just removing old damper felt and gluing on new and
> regulating, about 4
> hours but I don't generally do it that way.    At ten hours
> to repin an
> entire grand action, I'd think about replacing parts.
> Takes me two hours
> to repin a set of hammer flanges.  At eight hours to repin
> the wippens, I'd
> replace them unless there was some compelling reason not to.
>
> David Love
> davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Joseph Garrett <joegarrett@earthlink.net>
> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Date: 10/10/2003 6:07:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Pitch Raise, was: Standard Pitch
> >
> > I've been reading all of this Bravado and some truthful
> times it takes to
> do
> > quality tuning. To those who admit to over 1 1/2 hrs, I
> say fine. Y'all
> are
> > not doing bad at all!
> > I've been tuning for over 30 years. My average time for a
> first time
> client,
> > is over 2 hours. Sometimes going as much as 6 hours, for
> one tuning. Of
> > course, the ones that take over 2 hours are usually some
> weird critter
> like
> > a square grand or an over-damper piano.
> > Today, I returned, after 6 months, to a Gonzales, Square
> Grand, that
> > initially was 45cents flat of 435cps. The initial visit
> took 5 hours. Of
> > course, part of that 5 hours, was spent indocrinating the
> client about
> > square grands and another part was aligning hammers, cleaning the
> interior,
> > etc. Today, I found all but a few notes well within 2
> cents of where I put
> > it, 6 months ago! The extra time that I spent, initially,
> paid off TODAY.
> > Within 2 1/2 hours, I tuned it, cleaned the Ivory keys,
> dusted/cleaned and
> > installed a repaired damper lever, that I have had in the
> shop for, lo,
> > these last 6 months. (It was A0 and had been muted
> off.<G>) It is my
> belief
> > that "rushing" through a tuning is counter productive for
> long term
> > stability. However, "dawdling" through a pitch
> raise/tuning is also
> > counter-productive.
> > What I'd really like to see/hear from a lot of you
> guys/gals, is how fast
> > you can, efficiently and proficiently do a set of key
> bushings, a set of
> key
> > tops, a resurfacing of hammers, a set of dampers,
> (install and regulate),
> or
> > any of the many tasks we all do to make a piano better.
> > FYI, I can do a set of key bushings, (out/in), in less
> than 2 hours;
> replace
> > keytops, (Ivorine...NOT those damned "moulded"
> thingees!)..2 hours,
> Surface
> > a set of hammers in less than an hour. Repin EVERY flange
> in a grand
> action
> > in less than 10 hours. All of these things can be done
> efficiently,
> without
> > being destructive to your physical well-being. Whereas,
> > "slam/bang/thankyoumam tunings" are really hard on the
> body/mind, IMSO!
> > Let's put our "speed" where it counts. Just a few
> thoughts on the subject
> of
> > "Speed".<G>
> > Best Regards,
> > Joe Garrett, RPT, (Oregon)
> > Captain, Tool Police
> > Squares Are I
> >
> >
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