established memory

[Stéphane Collin]

Hi all.

Again opposition between rational and intuitive cognition.
Those who believe in nothing else than what was scientifically (thus 
rationally) proved, in my eyes, restrict their world to the (for me) less 
important section.  This is because of intinseque limitations of rational 
thinking, cheapness of rational knowledge, etc.
Those who give more trust in their intuitive data are stuck when it comes to 
sharing it, and are never sure of what they say, even if what they 
eventually say could be far more deep penetrating than what the others hold 
for sure.  But indeed, in those waters, nothing is clear.

Again, Ric, you prove to travel easily from one to the other.

Best regards.

Stéphane Collin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Brekne" <Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: established memory


> Well, Ken and Terry.... I certainly dont know about the term <<established 
> memory>> as it really hasnt been described in more then the most 
> generalized and romantic of fashions, but then on the other hand I do find 
> that pianos do indeed seem to hold tunings better if they recieve many 
> tunings and are well maintained  in their first years.  I often underline 
> the value of giving a piano a <<good start>> to new piano owners because 
> this seems to be the case.  That said... I have no hard data to back up 
> this suspicion, and I dont think there is any study out there which 
> touches on the matter specifically.
>
> Terms like <<Circle of Sound>> and  <<Pitch Memory>> are always fun 
> ones... because they really are so pictorial that a precise clarification 
> as too what they really are meant to describe never seems to be available. 
> So they get ridiculed on the one hand, and supported with nearly religious 
> fervour on the other hand, with really nothing inbetween.  Whether or not 
> they actually stem from some real function or physical reality or not 
> seems impossible to confirm or deny.
>
> Btw Ken.... the Circle of Sound and the Circle of 5ths are to completely 
> different worlds and have nothing to do with each other.  The Circle of 
> Sound is a term coined by Steinway and Sons and is supposed to refer to an 
> acoustic property they believe they build into their pianos and is used as 
> one of their primary justifications for refusing to use tuning pin 
> bushings. Great reading can be had on the subject matter in the archieves.
>
> Cheers
> RicB
>
> Terry wrote:
>
>> /"I have observed that some old pianos that haven't been tuned in many 
>> years respond to pitch raise and tuning much more readily than others. 
>> This can only be due to established memory."/
>>  This sounds like a bunch of poppycock! Established memory? Maybe a 
>> persistent bend in a string, but established memory? Way too romantic. Is 
>> this theory promulgated by the originators of "the circle of sound"?
>>
>
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