---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Peter, You've obviously got waaaaaaaay more patience than I. Or something. :-) Even "with" an ETD. Avery At 09:09 PM 2/11/04, you wrote: >Another vote for ETD. > >Of the five pianos today, three were in a fancy hotel / convention=20 >center. The first was in the "Tavern" where the folks listening to=20 >elevator music were competing with those sitting at the bar watching T.V.,= =20 >laughing and I guess telling jokes (I wear musicians plugs). The second=20 >was a console in a room with a fancy name that really just means=20 >"windows." The staff were busy setting up chairs, tables, silverware,=20 >plates and, oh yes, testing the sound equipment. Before I was through one= =20 >of the big wigs told me there was one more they wanted me to do but, "this= =20 >is a new one, so you won't have any trouble with it." So he took me to=20 >it. It was 100 - 200 cents flat, a spinet sitting in the kitchen. Yes,=20 >the kitchen. They assured me they weren't going to leave it there, but=20 >thought it was a good place to have it tuned. I think I set A4 to a=20 >clanging pot in the sink and my ascending thirds were synchronized to the= =20 >clacking casters on the cumbersome carts that carried who knows what. The= =20 >ETD almost saved the day (Tune-Lab Pocket), I still needed some BC powder= =20 >when I got back to my car. > >Peter Lamos >Brunswick, GA > > >_____________________ ><mailto:selahpiano@hotmail.com>selahpiano@hotmail.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On=20 >Behalf Of antares >Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 6:05 PM >To: Pianotech >Subject: get yourself a Cadillac and enjoy the ride > > >On 10-feb-04, at 22:52, Michael Gamble wrote: >Michael, >I beg to differ with you on this issue about ETD's. >I know actually many tuners here in Holland, but also abroad, who are=20 >highly experienced aural tuners and who, nevertheless, now tune with an= ETD. >In Holland I was among the first members of the then new Dutch Piano=20 >Technicians Association (the VvPN) and I was also among the small group of= =20 >these new VvPN members who created the very first tuning test in Europe=20 >where you could test the tuning electronically with the aid of an ETD (at= =20 >the time a SAT) and a computer program, just like they have been done (and= =20 >do) for a long time in the USA. > >Let me tell you, it was not an easy task to do a tuning test and walk away= =20 >with a high enough score, and I have seen many colleagues who, after they= =20 >had proved their professional ability, were very proud that they had dared= =20 >to do this risky test. >They had shown that they were able to make a very good tuning, and we all= =20 >know that there are many colleagues out there who are not capable of=20 >making a tuning at that same level I just described. > >Many of these 'tested' tuners now use a tuning device, myself included. >I have tuned too many piano's aurally, and I thank the electronic tuning=20 >Deities for my beloved 'box'. >You know why? >Because my box creates for me a tuning of such high quality that it will=20 >take me at least a Month's training of steady high-trapeze-tuning to reach= =20 >the same accuracy. >But I would never be able to make money with it, because such a fabulous=20 >concert tuning would take me hours, and afterwards I would be exhausted,=20 >whereas my ETD allows me to do the very same but within one hour, hello! >So my customers are happy because they can count on a very high quality=20 >tuning, and I am very happy because I don't get exhausted, don't have a=20 >lot of tuning stress, and I can, instead, concentrate on making beautiful= =20 >and strong unisons. > >Especially somewhat older tuners, who have paid their tuning dues so to=20 >speak, go into their second tuning wind when they discover the ease and=20 >joy of a good ETD. >Because they have already tuned piano's aurally for many years, they know= =20 >very well how to tune a piano when the battery of their ETD is low. >Some time ago, I came back from a short trip abroad, and I had forgotten=20 >to charge the battery of my box, so the next day I had to tune this very=20 >difficult Steinway belonging to this very difficult customer. >To be honest with you, I got chagrined because it was late in the=20 >afternoon and my energy level was down, and I was not looking forward to=20 >having to do it again 'by ear'. >However, I of course tuned the thing and after only a few uncertain=20 >minutes I was back full swing and was having fun, trying to do the puzzle= =20 >again for the zillionth time. > >I can tell you something else : >Just because my ears have been sharpened by the superior ETD tuning, my=20 >musical hearing wants to duplicate the refined regularity that I have been= =20 >hearing for years through the use of my sophisticated ETD. So my tuning=20 >ability has not gone away and has not lessened at all. >I feel very good that I can make a real good tuning even after having used= =20 >an ETD for years. > >Again : there are many many excellent aural tuners in the world who, at a= =20 >certain moment, just like me, have made a switch from aural to electronic. >I think most of these will testify that they have an easier life now and=20 >that they enjoy making a superb tuning. >I am all for learning to tune aurally and then tune aurally for years,=20 >just to become well trained. > >After that goal has been reached I would say : get yourself a Cadillac,=20 >and enjoy the ride. > > >friendly greetings >from >Andr=E9 Oorebeek > >Amsterdam - >The Netherlands > >0031-20-6237357 >0645-492389 >0031-75-6226878 >www.concertpianoservice.nl >www.grandpiano.nl > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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