This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Dave Stahl wrote: > Who originated this tuning method? I may have missed something here = somewhere...:-(=20 Dave, I published this method in 1988 in the my "Stopper tuning - Equal = temeperament based on pure duodecimos (12ths)" in the 3/1988 issue of = the euro piano (european piano association magazine) about P12 tuning. regards, Bernhard Stopper ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Piannaman@aol.com=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 7:35 AM Subject: Re: P12 in Tunelab Pro David, John, Ric, List,=20 I learned to tune this way about a year ago. It makes decent pianos = sound good, and good pianos sound great. Can't say I do it on every = rental spinet I tune, but I have fewer and fewer of those to contend = with; it has been a career altering educational experience for myself = and my clients. =20 Pianos seem to expand, brighten, come to life. One of my clients said = his piano sounded louder. Many have said that their pianos have never = sounded so good, or in tune. Very rewarding stuff, great technique. =20 Who originated this tuning method? I may have missed something here = somewhere...:-(=20 Dave Stahl=20 "I never met a perfect fifth I couldn't drink." Jack Daniels=20 In a message dated 6/1/04 9:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = bigda@gte.net writes:=20 on 6/1/04 5:29 AM, John Formsma at john@formsmapiano.com wrote:=20 > David Andersen responded:=20 >> I don't think its usefulness is questionable at all---I use it = every=20 > time I=20 >> tune, and following it has allowed me to become a really, really = good=20 > piano=20 >> tuner.=20 >=20 > ..snip...=20 >=20 >> That said, my temperament and most of the octaves I set turn out = to be=20 > part=20 >> of close-to-perfect 5ths and 12ths.=20 >=20 > David, I agree with you about Virgil's method. Whenever I tune (in = ET)=20 > that way, I end up with nearly pure 5ths and very nearly to pure = 12ths.=20 > All the octaves are pure sounding when used in any combination.=20 Exactly.=20 >=20 > There is something about it that allows you to tap into the hidden = power=20 > of that individual piano. I notice it EVERY time, whether it's a = 9'=20 > Steinway or Yamaha U1 - it is a different and better sounding = piano.=20 EXACTLY.=20 >=20 > For me, it took a fair amount of listening and practicing to say, = "Yes,=20 > I can now hear what is there." But it was certainly worth it.=20 I guess i was led into it by my teacher, Jack Cofer, when I first = learned=20 how to tune almost 30 years ago. Worth it for me? Yes times a = million.=20 >=20 > Have you noticed that false beats in the treble are greatly = minimized=20 > when tuning this way?=20 Absolutely, and it can cause many, many other psychoacoustic = illusions as=20 well: bigger bass, more sustain, warmer voice, crisper, more even = action=20 regulation---I've heard all of these comments after just a real = strong=20 focused, natural beat aural tuning. And the capper:=20 "This sounds like a different piano; how'd you do that?"=20 > Regards,=20 >=20 > John Formsma=20 Hope this helps sincere tuners who want to really experience a = consistently=20 beautiful and precise and consistent tuning-----and have FUN doing = it.=20 Best,=20 David Andersen=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/6c/de/7e/c1/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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