Seiler 180 voicing, front scale noise questions

[Isaac OLEG]

Hello , they have a very long history with vertical piano building,
and a less successful relatively more recent for the grand's.

Voicing down mean (most often) give power so you have more fundamental
and more sustain at low level, and the high partial harsh sound is
made quieter , blending more harmoniously in the tone.

That will not suppress zings, but make them way less noticeable.

The Seilers I have seen have stapled Hammers , with Wurzen felt,
Renner made. The base of the hammers is impregnated, so you can't get
so much power (particularly without staples if you have Renner blue on
them I guess) but generally some is remaining  - find the hard spots
of felt that can be unpacked to provide more rebound to the whole
higher regions - a good hammer should make your finger laugh !. Ask
Mr. Oorebeck to come by he explains that very well !

The action, when well regulated , works wonder, assuming you have good
punching at the front and not the mushy approach that is tiring for
the pianist (and seem to me a reminiscence of the times where we
believe that the resistance felt by the pianist was of musical
interest).

Nowadays Very robust instruments, as you said very good krafmanship
but the acoustic part of the grand's indeed in not that impressive.

I tune them with an orchestra tone in mind, as they have something of
an orchestra indeed (registers) while the defects I can forget a bit.

zinglings should react to the dab of CA trick, while I often forget
it, and mate to strings first .

Hope it helps

Isaac OLEG



> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
> part de Keith Jones
> Envoye : samedi 6 mars 2004 05:44
> A : Pianotech
> Objet : Re: Seiler 180 voicing, frontscale noise questions
>
>
> Dave and List,
>
> I'll be interested in what others have to say about these
> pianos as well. I
> service one that a customer bought on my recommendation. I
> haven't been
> happy with the sound in the area you mention, and also the
> last couple of
> notes in the lower tenor.
> The capo area has the zings that you mention, and I agree
> that too much
> needling in this area can kill the tone as well as the
> zing. The bottom
> couple of notes on the long bridge are noticeably different
> sounding from
> their neighbors. Boomy and hollow.
>
> Everywhere you look on these pianos is quality workmanship
> and materials. I
> only wish I could make this one sound better.
>
> Keith Jones
>
> At 11:21 PM 3/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Liszt,
> >
> >I have a job coming up where I'll be working on a Seiler 180(5 10"
> >grand).  I'll be at it all day, easing, lubing,
> regulating, tuning, and
> >voicing.  These are really well-built German pianos, with
> Renner blue
> >hammers, and full Renner actions, etc., etc.
> >
> >I'm sure someone on this list has experience with these
> pianos.  I've
> >worked on quite a few, but not to this extent.  I've tuned
> many, and done
> >minor regulations on several, but have never voiced one.
> I'm actually
> >surprised that nobody has asked me to voice  because there
> are some really
> >harsh overtones that emanate from the piano above the
> treble break.  I've
> >muted some in the past by lacing felt through the strings
> and wedging it
> >under the capo bar, with some success.  The customer knows
> about this
> >method, but would prefer it voiced down, or so he says.
> >
> >My main concern in this whole deal is that I've seen the
> results of a tech
> >trying to "voice down" that section on a different piano.
> The hammers are
> >ruined.  They look like pin cushions, and sound like them too.
> >
> >Can anyone offer advice on the voicing of these instruments?  M.
> >Orobeek??  Anyone??
> >
> >I've got a call in to the Seiler rep.  I'm certain he's heard this
> >complaint before.  I'm curious what the company has to
> offer in terms of a
> >fix.
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any and all input,
> >
> >Dave Stahl
>
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