Seiler 180 voicing, front scale noise questions

Richard Brekne Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no
Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:48:18 +0100


Basic tone building procedures, will take you a good long ways. Some 
instruments, regardless of make or design are simply going to be more 
difficult then others. That said the field technicians job is to make 
the most of any given situation and doesnt really get into a design 
issues thing.

Start from the beggining and methodically run through string mating / 
regulation / voicing procedures and see where that takes you. If the 
capo is allowing to much bleed through, you might find that reshaping 
the surface will do the trick. I often simply change strings if I get 
into capo work as well. Cant hurt :)

A drop of CA may help if you have loose bridgepins, but I wouldnt advise 
using it on the capo or anywhere near the front termination. Been there, 
done that... :)

Cheers
RicB



>>
>>Dave and List,
>>
>>I'll be interested in what others have to say about these
>>pianos as well. I
>>service one that a customer bought on my recommendation. I
>>haven't been
>>happy with the sound in the area you mention, and also the
>>last couple of
>>notes in the lower tenor.
>>The capo area has the zings that you mention, and I agree
>>that too much
>>needling in this area can kill the tone as well as the
>>zing. The bottom
>>couple of notes on the long bridge are noticeably different
>>sounding from
>>their neighbors. Boomy and hollow.
>>
>>Everywhere you look on these pianos is quality workmanship
>>and materials. I
>>only wish I could make this one sound better.
>>
>>Keith Jones
>>
>>At 11:21 PM 3/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>Liszt,
>>>
>>>I have a job coming up where I'll be working on a Seiler 180(5 10"
>>>grand).  I'll be at it all day, easing, lubing,
>>
>>regulating, tuning, and
>>
>>>voicing.  These are really well-built German pianos, with
>>
>>Renner blue
>>
>>>hammers, and full Renner actions, etc., etc.
>>>
>>>I'm sure someone on this list has experience with these
>>
>>pianos.  I've
>>
>>>worked on quite a few, but not to this extent.  I've tuned
>>
>>many, and done
>>
>>>minor regulations on several, but have never voiced one.
>>
>>I'm actually
>>
>>>surprised that nobody has asked me to voice  because there
>>
>>are some really
>>
>>>harsh overtones that emanate from the piano above the
>>
>>treble break.  I've
>>
>>>muted some in the past by lacing felt through the strings
>>
>>and wedging it
>>
>>>under the capo bar, with some success.  The customer knows
>>
>>about this
>>
>>>method, but would prefer it voiced down, or so he says.
>>>
>>>My main concern in this whole deal is that I've seen the
>>
>>results of a tech
>>
>>>trying to "voice down" that section on a different piano.
>>
>>The hammers are
>>
>>>ruined.  They look like pin cushions, and sound like them too.
>>>
>>>Can anyone offer advice on the voicing of these instruments?  M.
>>>Orobeek??  Anyone??
>>>
>>>I've got a call in to the Seiler rep.  I'm certain he's heard this
>>>complaint before.  I'm curious what the company has to
>>
>>offer in terms of a
>>
>>>fix.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for any and all input,
>>>
>>>Dave Stahl
>>
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