Seiler 180 voicing, frontscale noise questions

[Roger Jolly]

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Hi Dave,
                 I would pull the capo sections a beat or so sharp to the 
centre.   Lift the strings You will find the tone will get stronger and 
sustain better.  After shaping and shoe shining hammers, fit them to the 
strings.  Re tune to A440.  The string lifting/leveling, and hammer fitting 
will have dropped the pitch back into range with the centre section.

This will have cut down on the leakage into the forward duplex. For the 
worst 'zingers',  move the strings around on the capo bar, it can help to 
burnish off any cups in the bar.  Lift again and re tune.

Now you are ready to start on the hammers.   Renner Blues I like to use a 
single long needle  and go in very deep at 1-2 o'clock range.   aiming for 
the tip of the molding About 5 or 6 insertions per shoulder usually will do 
the trick.

Very lightly needle the crowns, as needed to remove any impact noise!!!!!

Frequently I can lift strings, fit and shape hammers, and never take the 
needles from the box.

Treat the problems and not the symptoms.

Regards Roger





At 10:21 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote:
>Liszt,
>
>I have a job coming up where I'll be working on a Seiler 180(5 10" 
>grand).  I'll be at it all day, easing, lubing, regulating, tuning, and 
>voicing.  These are really well-built German pianos, with Renner blue 
>hammers, and full Renner actions, etc., etc.
>
>I'm sure someone on this list has experience with these pianos.  I've 
>worked on quite a few, but not to this extent.  I've tuned many, and done 
>minor regulations on several, but have never voiced one.  I'm actually 
>surprised that nobody has asked me to voice  because there are some really 
>harsh overtones that emanate from the piano above the treble break.  I've 
>muted some in the past by lacing felt through the strings and wedging it 
>under the capo bar, with some success.  The customer knows about this 
>method, but would prefer it voiced down, or so he says.
>
>My main concern in this whole deal is that I've seen the results of a tech 
>trying to "voice down" that section on a different piano.  The hammers are 
>ruined.  They look like pin cushions, and sound like them too.
>
>Can anyone offer advice on the voicing of these instruments?  M. 
>Orobeek??  Anyone??
>
>I've got a call in to the Seiler rep.  I'm certain he's heard this 
>complaint before.  I'm curious what the company has to offer in terms of a 
>fix.
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all input,
>
>Dave Stahl

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