Piano Humidity Control System bashing

Dean May DeanMay@PianoRebuilders.com
Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:27:28 -0500


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I would have honestly told your customer that my experience is that =
piano instructors typically know very little about pianos, usually even =
less than a piano salesman. I have years of experience in installing =
scores of these systems and can produce documented evidence of the =
difference they make in stopping radical pitch swings. This is why it is =
always a good idea to record how far off pitch the piano is on your =
customers record. If I have tuned the piano more than once in the past I =
can show them how far off pitch it was each time, usually 20+ sharp in =
the summer followed by 20- in the winter.=20
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It is the instructor who doesn=92t know what he is talking about and =
that is the truth. Tell your customer that the instructor may be a very =
good piano teacher, but he does not have anything close to your =
experience or knowledge on the proper care of pianos. That is the truth =
and you should not feel bad at all about saying it. Then emotionally =
disconnect yourself so that you can walk away from the sale. It is his =
piano=92s tuning stability/longevity that is at stake here, not your =
reputation. If he refuses the sale, no problem. Next time you are out to =
tune show him how far off his pitch is.
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Damp Chaser also used to have letters from all the piano manufacturers =
recommending the use of their systems. You might get a copy of those.=20
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If you are only making the cost of one tuning on an installation you =
need to radically alter your price. I gross about 3-4 tunings per =
sale/installation. Here is what you need to make:
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Profit on the system (40%-50% margin)
Sales commission for the time you spent talking to them to sell it =
(20-30% of total cost)
Fee for followup time spent answering questions ($25 per phone call, =
figure one or two calls on an average sale)
Two hour service call for installation (reducing time to under one hour =
will pay you a bonus here)
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You figure the total. Then make that your non-negotiable price (but =
don=92t itemize for the customer. Just tell them that is the installed =
price). For a few hundred dollars you are installing a system that will =
protect their investment of thousands of dollars, plus make it sound =
nicer between tunings. It is a great deal for them. I don=92t usually =
sell a system the first time I present it, but after one or two more =
tunings where I show them the continued pattern of wildly deviating =
pitch I can often close the sale. Especially in churches that don=92t =
maintain consistent temperatures. They usually know they are being hard =
on the piano. And I emphasize how hard and damaging it is on their fine =
musical instrument to be in such an environment.  I also relay my =
experience of scores of churches with the system vs. those without and =
what a huge difference they make.=20
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Dean
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Dean May             cell 812.239.3359
PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272
Terre Haute IN  47802
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-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On =
Behalf Of Dave Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:28 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Piano Humidity Control System bashing
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I've asked a couple of you privately for advice, but would like a wider =
opinion from this list. =20
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I left a DC brochure with a customer with a new Kawai Grand.    I was =
there for the first tuning in late Oct and their house was open, the =
humidity was high,  and the owner seemed very tuning-concious.  I =
explained the main effect would be tuning stability, but general piano =
health would be better, with more stable humidity and lower humidity =
also.  (Homes here with AC on can still vary from 50-70% humidity, in my =
experience, depending on outside temp and humidity, and AC system size =
and type.  Many cool days when people open their windows have humidity =
of 80% and up to 100% sometimes.  Technicians here normally install the =
heater bars and humidistats, but no humidifiers.)
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When I followed up for DC install and /or 6 month tuning, he had talked =
to their piano teacher, who has a studio in Cape Coral.  Was told that =
DC was a bad idea for a nice piano, and they "we are finding that they =
do more harm than good."  "Hot spots, etc,   better to not use one =
unless you have things sticking etc."
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This is a reputatable teacher who I believe is operating under either =
old infomation, false information, or no information.  Lots of techs, at =
least in this neck of the woods used to install the heater bars without =
humidistats, and maybe that is the source of his  belief. =20
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I told my customer that I believed his teacher was misinformed, and that =
I would talk to him.  Set up the tuning appt for the customer for May..  =
He is honestly convinced that he might be risking his piano by =
installing a system. =20
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I feel badly for two reasons.  First, my judgement is in doubt.  Second, =
the customer possibly believes that I am just trying to sell him =
something to line my own pockets.  I did tell him that I only make about =
the cost of one tuning when I install the system.   And that he would =
likely need tuning less often with the system.    So over a period of =
time, I actually may lose income.
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  I am a believer in the systems, as long as they are properly installed =
with humidistats. Have one in my own Yamaha grand piano and it has made =
an incredible difference in tuning stability.  But I have also found in =
the past that debating with someone who already has made up his mind is =
neither fun nor fruitful.
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What do you think.  What would you do?=20
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Dave Smith=20
SW FL

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