Aw shucks . . in the famous words of someone else living off the general folks . . " . . let them eat cake . . " and look what happened in that situation . . Jim Kinnear www.pianoguy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Who REALLY won the election ???? ( OT) >A slight addition: Corporate CEO's are now, in the US, > "earning" ( on average ) 300 times what their floor > workers make. ( About $1,6oo/hr ) This is the grossest > disparity in pay this nation has ever seen, and the > widest on earth. Many full time workers can now barely > afford to eat and stay warm. > The concept of "noblesse oblige " ( using your > priveleged status to aid others and reform society ) > has been replaced with rampant, bald faced greed. Yet > many who claim to be "Christian" vote for these folks > and their pals. ( Ken Lay of Enron "fame" was Bush's > best pal and # 1 campaign donor in 2000 ) > > Go figure > Thump > > > > --- marc avery <marc_avery@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> First of all it wasn't a "landslide victory". >> Fifty-one percent of the >> popular vote was cast by an estimated 60% of the >> total eligible voters. >> This means that Bush received backing from about 31% >> of all elibible U.S. >> voters. That my friend is hardly a "landslide". >> Secondly, I am so sick of >> every right wing zombie always falling back to the >> same old message of "the >> left wing media". Almost every day during the >> Clinton adlministration we >> had to hear about the great "Whitewater scandal". >> I actually work for one of those left wing media >> operations that you speak >> about. Let me tell you this buddy, those networks >> are huge corporations. >> Huge corporations that benefit from administrations >> like Bush's. Didn't >> Bush just sign a new tax cut for corporations? Oh, >> and here's your next >> comment I'm sure..... "Well corporations hire >> people, so with the new tax >> cut they will be able to hire more people". YEA >> RIGHT! That savings will >> go directly into the pockets of the major >> shareholders and the staggering >> amount of Presidents and VP's that these companies >> have. >> For the rest of us, well we will probably go through >> another series of >> budget cuts. By the way, I've gone through four of >> these cuts in the last >> four years. I make $18,000 per year LESS than I did >> 3 years ago. By the >> way, there were NO budget cuts here during the >> entire Clinton years in >> office. >> It was also Bush's daddy that was most responsible >> for deregulating the >> broadcast industry. >> Now we have three to four major players that own >> most of the broadcast >> properties in the United States. It's embarrassing >> the wages most of their >> employees make. But since these companies usually >> own 4 to 5 stations each >> in every market (especially major markets), these >> people have nowhere to go >> to get a better salary. In broadcasting, the way a >> person moved up was to >> change stations every few years for better pay and >> better positions. Now >> with "standardized pay scales" in these >> CORPORATIONS, there is no place to >> go to scrape out a better living. Thank you again >> Mr. Bush. >> And lastly some food for thought. Take a look at a >> graph of the national >> deficit from the beginning of the Clinton >> administration (1992) through >> today. If you were on the board of directors of a >> major company and took a >> look at those numbers (because numbers are the ONLY >> concern of the modern >> corporation), who would YOU select for your next >> CEO? >> >> Values?..... I value being able to earn a decent >> living. I value being >> considered a human being, not a number. I value not >> having to worry about >> my job every year. >> For me, I'm certainly not better off than I was 4 >> years ago. How about you? >> >> And as for"liberalism being dead politically". I >> believe liberalism was >> voted FOR by 48% of those Americans who voted. >> >> Marc >> >> >From: LarryinAtlanta@aol.com >> >Reply-To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> >> >To: pianotech@ptg.org >> >Subject: Re: Who REALLY won the election ???? ( OT) >> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:14:10 EST >> > >> >In a message dated 11/8/2004 1:25:49 AM Eastern >> Standard Time, >> >sarah@graphic-fusion.com writes: >> >Of course this is only a rough >> >estimate, but my tentative conclusion would be that >> George Bush is the only >> >2-term US president never to have been elected. >> > >> >Sarah, the only thing you've "proven" is that >> someone was playing fast and >> >loose with the numbers from the exit polls. Let's >> look at this logically - >> >if >> >there was anything to this conspiracy theory picked >> up from the known to be >> >unreliable source of underground democrats.org, the >> media arm of the DNC - >> >CBS, >> >ABC, NBC - would be all over it. Since they aren't, >> it's fair to say >> >there's no >> >truth to it. Since the source of the "story" is a >> bunch of leftist nutbobs, >> >it's fair to say that the news media is correct in >> not talking about it. I >> >assure you that if Dan Rather could find the >> slightest bit of truth to work >> >with, >> >he'd be out there right now telling us all about >> it, even if he had to make >> >most of it up like usual. Your party had tens of >> thousands of lawyers all >> >over >> >the place watching for the slightest thing they >> could complain about. So >> >did >> >the Republicans. Most all of them said it was a >> valid election. >> > >> >No, the simple fact is this. America turned out in >> record numbers, and gave >> >Bush a landslide victory. America voted not only >> *for* Bush, they voted >> >*against* your ideology. In record numbers. >> Liberalism is dead politically. >> >America >> >said you have taken your party too far to the left, >> and lost your way. You >> >no >> >longer represent what Americans consider American >> values. Almost >> >immediately >> >after the election, your party leaders began >> admitting that the election >> >was a >> >statement by the citizens of America telling them >> they reject your views >> >and >> >values. >> > >> >You lost. Get over it. Instead of trying to justify >> your loss with >> >conspiracy >> >theories spread by leftwing nutcases and >> embarassing yourself with >> >statements >> >like the one quoted above, you and the rest of your >> party need to take a >> >good >> >hard look at why your party has lost yet again, and >> why if you don't open >> >your eyes and address the *real* problem your party >> and its current >> >ideology is >> >destined to be a minority party for decades to >> come. >> > >> >Frankly, I think that's the best place for it. >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help >> and more in the Back to >> School Guide! >> http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech list info: >> https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! 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