"should I stay or should I go?"

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:53:22 -0800


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That would be pre-Verituner?
David I.


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From: antares <antares@euronet.nl>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:25:07 +0100
Subject: Re: "should I stay or should I go?"


Hi David Skolnik,

Of course it is true that there circumstances where you can train=
 the stage crew of a certain theater to be quiet when you are=
 tuning. However, in most, or at least many cases, this is not=
 possible and in that case you just have to live with it.
Here is a clear example : I worked for some time for the most=
 famous concert hall in Holland, and my expectations were that=
 they would help me to do the best that I had to offer, and=
 especially in that place (the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam).
The opposite was the case! They did not give a damn whether I had=
 a hard time or not. All they said in response to my complaints=
 was that the tuners before me had never complained and that I 'd=
 better be a big boy now.
Whatever I said... it did not help. At a certain moment it was so=
 bad that 2 people were vacuum cleaning the stage and the seating=
 rows at the same time while I was preparing a gorgeous=
 instrument for a famous pianist!
It should actually be enough to stop the job, pack your tools and=
 get the hell out.
And you know what?
After a long time of this humiliating treatment...
I packed my tools, and I got the hell out, and I never returned,=
 even though this was the most prestigious client I had ever=
 had.
There are however other cases where you try to keep the job, even=
 if it is almost impossible.
That's where you have to grin and ignore.

Andr=E9


On 12-nov-04, at 15:45, David Skolnik wrote:


Hi Kent -

I don't think we disagree. I credit my own early theatre-tuning=
 experience with the my ability to through-tune, but I'm going=
 for a little nuance here. Let me say this. As to how many of=
 those same people would ever again be confronted with a piano=
 tuner at work, why should you assume it to be so unlikely? These=
 were stage hands and such. The next time, they might very likely=
 remember...maybe it would take a few times. That's a learning=
 curve. As to the existential characteristics, I am trying to=
 distinguish between those conditions which are mutable from=
 those that are im-, (pi). I see no virtue in suffering in=
 silence if, by speaking up, the situation can be altered, and I=
 don't accept the idea that asking / demanding silence ought to=
 be experienced as humiliating.

As for your recent experience, congratulations. It would be=
 interesting to hear the circumstances surrounding such a=
 nightmare, but I think your story illuminates my point on=
 multiple levels. For example, what if some aspect of the tuning=
 had, in fact, proved inadequate? Maybe starting out good, but=
 slipping. How would you have felt if some critical attention had=
 been brought to the piano, despite your heroic effort. It=
 certainly wouldn't be fair, but you might also attribute that to=
 the tuners' existential dilemma. Why, in such a panic situation,=
 was it impossible for the venue managers to control the=
 conditions for you? Why SHOULD such heroics be allowed to become=
 the standard, as illustrated by the quote from Carol Beigel's=
 post, "Yeah, the real professionals can deal with anything".

Overall, a much wordier version of what David Love just posted.


David Skolnik


At 06:50 AM 11/12/2004 -0600, you wrote:

On Nov 12, 2004, at 12:02 AM, David Skolnik wrote:


The point is, SOMEONE has to teach these people. If I (or you)=
 don't tell them, why SHOULD they know better?


You are right. My position is indefensible. But it is my=
 position, nevertheless. I wonder how many of those people that=
 you successfully shooed away will ever be faced with the same=
 situation again. Next time it is likely to be different people=
 making noise and needing to be educated. This is the piano=
 tuner's existential dilemma, as far as I can see. We can suffer=
 (the noise) in silence, or we can suffer the humiliation of=
 having to ask for quiet. Suffering in silence involves no break=
 in tuning, and doggedly continues the progress toward a finished=
 tuning.

Last weekend I tuned for Olga Kern, the Cliburn gold medalist. I=
 had prepared one piano in ideal conditions, but there was a last=
 minute change of pianos. I had half an hour to bring the other=
 piano up to pitch and tune it at the last minute while chaos=
 reigned in the hall. Impossible. But as far as they know, I did=
 it, and the reviews of the concert were raves. Maybe I was able=
 to do that because of the experience I have tuning in adverse=
 conditions. ?

Kent


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