Based on previous postings on this subject I recall Thump uses considerable more CA glue than I think is necessary. That would make it be bound to set up longer, run through the block, etc. My experience is most pianos need less than a 2 oz bottle. I am getting terrific results with that amount and I've never had any run through the block, though I always use protection when doing lots of pins. It would be interesting to do a long term side by side study with pianos Thump has treated with those I have treated. Maybe we could get some government funding..... Dean Dean May cell 812.239.3359 PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 Terre Haute IN 47802 -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of gordon stelter Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:41 PM To: Pianotech Subject: How long it really takes CA to cure..... Well, what about that FIRST time you see the CA come through the block ( as I have frequently )? I promise that it will be very depressing. I must recommend ALWAYS puling the action, but it's your choice. Please be aware, though, that in the enclosed space behind the plate CA CAN take up to 2 days to solidify! How do I know? I treated an upright at a church and went away. 2 days later I came back and righted the piano, and the stuff oozed out and down some strings onto the bridges. What a mess! G --- Joe And Penny Goss <imatunr@srvinet.com> wrote: > Hi Gordon, I have never had the CA run through but > do take the time to be > some what safe. It is wise to watch what is > happening <G> And take care to > aerate well or wear a mask or qall of the above. I > did singe my snout before > getting wiser. Had to go herbal for a while for a > cure. > Joe Goss RPT > Mother Goose Tools > imatunr@srvinet.com > www.mothergoosetools.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com> > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: CA in a hurry > > > > Sorry Joe, > > On this one occassion I feel that your advice > may > > request some minor improvement. I would NOT trust > > newsprint to protect an action from dripping CA! I > > have seen a lOT Of this stuff run through a block > on > > some pianos. I would recommend taking the action > out > > entirely and putting aluminum foil on the keybed, > with > > newspaper on top of it. > > I love your work! > > Thump > > > > > > --- Joe And Penny Goss <imatunr@srvinet.com> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Barbara, > > > There is NO reason to remove the pins. > > > If you are doing only a few, take off the fall > board > > > and slip some news print across the top of the > > > action to keep any glue from seeping through > onto > > > the action. > > > Use a hypo needle and apply the glue at the base > of > > > the pin and let the glue well up untill just > before > > > it is going to run. Treat other pins and return > to > > > the first and apply a second dose. Wait 15 > seconds > > > and Tune <G> > > > If pins are still a little loose, treat a third > > > time. > > > One other thing , for the neatest job, cover the > > > pins not being treated with an old rag so that > when > > > the applicator is turned down to apply the glue, > any > > > spillage will not fall onto the pin area. > > > The glue will wick into the wood, and unless you > > > know what to look for. the repair can not be > seen. > > > Futher repair can be made including block > > > replacement at a future date. I have pianos that > are > > > 10 years past their repair and holding. > > > Joe Goss RPT > > > Mother Goose Tools > > > imatunr@srvinet.com > > > www.mothergoosetools.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Barbara Richmond > > > To: Pianotech > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:35 AM > > > Subject: CA in a hurry > > > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > Ed Foote, I believe you wrote about taking > pins > > > out and then CAing a pinblock to get the block > to > > > increase swelling (if I understand that > correctly). > > > > > > I'm in a tight spot here at the Big, Dead > Hall. > > > The B in residence (which has been on the don't > use > > > list because it is in that kind of shape) is > going > > > to be used on Saturday. Gee, if only I had > known > > > *last* week. The pins are generally loose, with > a > > > few "let go of your tuning hammer at watch it > fly" > > > types. Yes, it's a Steinway. Yes, it's in > miserable > > > shape and I have no qualms about doing whatever > I > > > need to do to get it hold the tune better than > it > > > does now. > > > > > > So, I was wondering if I removed those few > > > spinning pins and carefully applied the CA, > would I > > > get more holding power? I am prepared to used > my > > > trusty sandpaper shims (I usually prefer those > to > > > larger pins). How long should I wait before > > > re-inserting the pins? > > > > > > Thanks gobs. Man, what a wild week. > > > > > > Barbara Richmond, RPT > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pianotech list info: > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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