Fermi, was average tuner income

Richard Oliver Snelson rsnelson0984@mchsi.com
Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:52:41 -0500


I would estimate that one piano in 10 gets tuned once a year. Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Bunch" <pdtek@mchsi.com>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Fermi, was average tuner income


>>>150,000 pianos in Chicago. Estimate that
> each piano gets tuned an average of 1 time a year.<<
>
> Yeah, right.
>
> Dave Bunch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jason kanter" <jkanter@rollingball.com>
> To: <dporritt@mail.smu.edu>; "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:08 PM
> Subject: Fermi, was average tuner income
>
>
>> Many of you are probably familiar with Enrico Fermi's famous problem, 
>> "How
>> many piano tuners are there in Chicago?" - asked of physics engineers.
>> "Sometimes we must attempt to estimate important scientific and/or
>> engineering values based on scanty or apparently non-existent 
>> information.
>> Experimental science seeks its answers from Nature; but, before an
>> experiment can be designed, some idea/estimate of the parameter space
>> involved must already be in hand. We must make an initial guess. How do 
>> we
>> proceed? We use what we already know, of course. Most people could do far
>> more than they think if only they really knew how to use their heads. 
>> Enrico
>> Fermi, hailed by some as, "the last universal scientist," had a unique 
>> way
>> of initiating his graduate students into this important discipline.
>> see http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/CoE/Fermi.mod_files/v3_document.htm
>> and
>> http://www.stthomas.edu/physics/Academics/111/Green%20Group%20Problems/Fermi
>> %20Problems/Fermi%20Piano%20Key.gif
>> for two versions of the Fermi problem and its solution. (the second link
>> above uses Twin Cities instead of Chicago).
>>
>> In the various solutions to the problem, the engineers make the following
>> reasonable assumptions: 3 million people, 4 people per family, 1 piano 
>> for
>> every 5 families, therefore about 150,000 pianos in Chicago. Estimate 
>> that
>> each piano gets tuned an average of 1 time a year.
>> And they proceed to estimate how many tuners are required to service 
>> those
>> pianos thus: 4 to 5 tunings a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, 
>> therefore
>> about
>> 1000 to 1250 tunings a year per tuner ...
>> therefore there are 120 to 150 tuners in Chicago.
>>
>> For our purposes in looking at average income, this tallies with Dave
>> Porritt's rule of thumb that gross income is about 1,000 times your 
>> tuning
>> fee.
>>
>> But do we actually average 1,000 to 1,250 tunings a year? I would have
>> thought less.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On
>> Behalf Of David M. Porritt
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:41 AM
>> To: pianotech@ptg.org
>> Subject: RE: average tuner income
>>
>>
>> Terry:
>>
>> This is a touchy subject on many levels.  I have always thought, however,
>> that a good rule of thumb was 1,000 times your tuning rate as a gross
>> income.  That's assuming that you have some skill, some business sense 
>> and
>> this is not your first year doing it.
>>
>> dave
>>
>> __________________________________________
>> David M. Porritt, RPT
>> Meadows School of the Arts
>> Southern Methodist University
>> Dallas, TX 75275
>> dporritt@mail.smu.edu
>>
>>
>> ----- Original message ---------------------------------------->
>> From: pianolover 88 <pianolover88@hotmail.com>
>> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
>> Received: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:36:03 -0700
>> Subject: average tuner income
>>
>>>I know it's hard to generalize, but I'm curious to know what other
>> full-time
>>>tuner/techs average income is per year. I will understand if not too many
>>>want to divulge this info online. I'm just looking for a "ballpark", for 
>>>LA
>>>and other major cities or whereve. I read somehwere a while back in a PTJ
>>>from about 3 years back, a little questionairre, where one of the 
>>>questions
>>>asked how much do you earn in a year. There were four multiple choice
>>>answers listing  income ranges. On the high range was "$200,000 or more",
>>>and next to it in (----) was: "average for tuners in Los Angeles". Not
>> being
>>>able to find that particular article, I wonder if that was accurate or 
>>>just
>>>a joke! That would basically translate to no less than $766.00 per day,
>>>every day,  based on a 5 day week, or $639.00 every day, based on a six 
>>>day
>>>week. I've had days like that and sometimes even more, but not EVERY 
>>>SINGLE
>>>DAY! Of course when I think about it, that's really only 4-6 tuning per
>> day,
>>>with a few pitch raises, cleanings or extra stuff  added to the mix. For
>> me,
>>>single with no debt, (except my home mortgage) I guess I'm happy keeping 
>>>my
>>>work day as short as practicable. Some techs might work from 8am 'till
>> dark,
>>>but I sure as heck don't need to, and never will! I love what i do-and I
>>>love ice cream-but i don't over do it. The sky's the limit if we really
>> want
>>>it bad enough.
>>
>>>Terry Peterson
>>
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