---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On 15-okt-04, at 8:59, David Andersen wrote: > My dear friend Andre': you wrote----- > >> That means in essence, that by using one of the most sophisticated=20 >> ETD's, we >> no longer are bothered by the 'chinese puzzle' called ET, and that we=20= >> no >> longer have to repeat doing that very same chinese puzzle day in day=20= >> out, year >> after year. > > This is a perfect example of how people are different, that "every=20 > head is a > planet": I LOVE the Chinese puzzle; I look forward to solving it anew=20= > every > day; I see setting an ideal, rock-solid, musically pleasing = temperament > according to each piano's subtle harmonic and inharmonic differences=20= > to be > every SINGLE bit as important as stood-still, tonally rich and creamy > unisons. When the temperament is set properly---with tremendous > precision---and then is stretched precisely according to that piano's > "wishes," you have a tuning that soars and sings. Everything lines=20 > up, so > to speak, and the piano's treble seems to open up. Arpeggios from note=20= > #1 to > #88 are deliciously, solidly in tune; the action FEELS better, or=20 > seems to; > many times, some of the "voicing issues" are solved by a precise,=20 > musical > tuning. This is NOT to say that voicing and action regulation done to=20= > the > same precise, musical standard are not absolutely necessary. They are.=20= > But a > great tuning is a powerful enhancement, an extremely successful=20 > "making of > tone." Of course, my friend. And I think you are absolutely doing the right=20 thing. I only reacted because you wrote : quote >> Your body is >> capable of integrating and processing the subtle harmonic differences >> from piano to piano and note to note or section to section in a much=20= >> more >> precise and nuanced way than a machine or---flame suit on---than a >> mechanistic, linear process called partial matching. IMO. unquote I do have experience in tuning both with dem ears and with ETD's so I=20 understand your highly inspired feelings. I think there is really not so much difference between you and me, we=20 are both highly driven and absolutely nuts about our profession. The actual difference is that you choose to make a tuning without the=20 help of an ETD and I have chosen for another approach. I absolutely believe that your tuning is of the highest possible=20 quality and I admire your professional standpoint. I on the other hand have chosen for an electronic marvel for several=20 reasons : a. I have really tuned too many piano's the old way (I have told here=20 before that I started doing 7 piano's a day for my boss and almost=20 always t least 1 or more for my self on that very same day). b. I now do not tune so many piano's a day anymore, maybe 1 or 2,=20 that's all, except for festivals like the North Sea Jazz. c. After Having reached my personal tuning zenith at the Yamaha=20 Academy, I knew what the most perfect ET tuning in the world sounded=20 like. d. I then found my wizard box, which gives me that very same tuning. e. I can make a really gorgeous tuning, with the help of that box, in=20 45 minutes (or less). f. I no longer have to concentrate on making da puzzle you like to make. g. instead I focus on making tone with unisons because the basis has=20 been laid already. h. In doing so, I don't experience any stress caused by for instance a=20= 'difficult' instrument and my customers feel my ease and confidence and=20= are more than convinced by the result. > >> If your temperament is not really the way it should be, the musical=20= >> 'tone' of >> our unisons will make up for it entirely. > > Wow. A startling concept for me to accept. > >> 'Tone' is the key word here, >> dividing your intervals is another. >> I do not, and shall not deny that making the right 'whatever tuning'=20= >> is very >> important, but I have learned that the quality of your unisons by far=20= >> make up >> for a tuning that is not 100 % accurate. > Again, wow. I personally would not like to have to make that=20 > determination: > "well, my temperament's kind of---off--but I'll cover it up with my=20 > luminous > unisons." Let me then tell you again about that lessons I once had : my Japanese=20= teacher once told me that my tuning that day had come out very nice,=20 but he told me that I used too much force in striking the keys. So he ordered me to re-tune one octave by keeping the middle strings=20 intact and re-tune the left and right string of each unison in that=20 octave. So I did, and he once more corrected me. saying that I was still=20 banging too hard. I then banged a little less, and finished the octave. Then he asked me to listen to that very octave and compare it with the=20= neighboring octaves. I went out of my mind! that one specific octave was so much more=20 beautiful than the others! It has to do with the way we (unconsciously) listen to overtones : you=20= strike hard, you create an abundance of higher partials, you strike=20 less hard, you create a mix of lower partilas and higher partials. The result is a coarse and wide sounding tone, very rich in overtones=20 and very long sounding. That tone is a complimentary quality an experienced and musical tuner=20 can use. If a given tuning is not really perfect (and I am convinced that at=20 least 95% of all tunings in the world are not 100% perfect) than we can=20= make up for the hopefully small errors by at least creating a very rich=20= tone. I am absolutely not against anybody not using an ETD, on the contrary,=20= I done it myself too much! I just want to tell anybody here that there=20= are now etd's that can give you the same result 100% for sure. > > I'm very grateful to be here, and to be doing this craft. Thanks,=20 > Andre', > for your tremendous knowledge and positive attitude, and thanks to all=20= > for > your continuing good-hearted wisdom. David, I am just a moron with some talent. If I have been able to=20 spread any wisdom here, than I consider it my task. Your wisdom is very much valued by me and others here because you=20 inspire us. It would be great to meet you again some time. EAR friendly greetings from Andr=E9 Oorebeek "where Music is, no harm can be" ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 6244 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/d3/a7/dd/da/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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