Was OnlyPure not P12ths Tunings

[William R. Monroe]

Ric, right on.

Who gives a rat's ass who thought of what, when, where, or in which
language.   How many zillions of temperament tuning methods are out there?
How many are patented?  Right.  Seems well beyond pretentious to my
thinking.  God forbid anyone tune like Bernhard Stopper, without paying him
for his time.  Too bad W.B. White didn't file a patent - he'd have been
rich!   Fortunately for the entire piano tuning community, the past masters
saw fit to share their knowledge selflessly, furthering the collective
learning.

End of Rant

Conrad, you got one in an extra thick?

Respectfully, well maybe not
William R. Monroe



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ric Brekne" <ricbrek@broadpark.no>
To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 5:50 PM
Subject: Was OnlyPure not P12ths Tunings


> Bernhard
>
> A few comments.  Number one.  I do not appreciate the insinuation about
> me posting something after you have stated it. This is directly false.
> And anyone who has been reading my P 12ths stuff these past years knows
> that. Indeed... you popped up at least a year after I started writing
> about this stuff making claims about who thought of this first. I dont
> care any more about those claims now then I did then. I could give a
> flying tomatoe. You also started making near slanderous comments about
> Jim Coleman mis-appropriating his perfect 5ths tuning from some other
> european. You seem to totally ignore the fact that people can have
> similiar ideas around the globe without having the slightest knowledge
> of each other.  Accusing someone as you seem to be doing is rather bad
> form IMHO.  Especially when you have absolutely no way of showing any
> such accusations to be true.
>
> Number two. If you do bother to read through all P 12ths posts in the
> past, you will find I have covered this ground well before your
> appearance here on pianotech. <<We>> did not begin discussing the P-12
> ths tuning a year ago... YOU came in on a long standing discussion
> claiming this was your idea... which I simply responded to by letting
> you have your way on the matter... because it didnt matter... doesnt
> matter.  For crimminy sakes.. you mention the major sixth and double
> octave 10th test.... Andre and I were on about this 4 -5 years ago in
> this context... and the darned test is as old as the hills to begin with.
>
> Number three... I will tune a piano any darned old way I want to to
> begin with.  I will use Tune Lab any way I darn well want to. If you
> feel you have some case against me... then by all means try and run it.
>
> Now I have tried to ignore all these comments about this being all your
> idea these past year, because as I say... I couldnt care less to begin
> with.  But if you are going to start accusing people of stealing others
> ideas as you seem to be.. then I simply have no more time to spend
> responding to your posts.
>
> My description of a P 12ths tuning has been public for a few years
> now... and its free for anyone to use. End of discussion.
>
> Sincerely
> Richard Brekne.
>
> Ric,
>
> If you tune the fifths and the octaves one after the other, this is ok.
> If you tune the third note from any of the three note combinations
together
> with the other two, and measure explicitely for pureness, that relates to
> one method of my patent filing for using in an ETD.
> If you have done so already before my patent filing and you have not
> published before, thats your risk. It is still possible to get patented a
> thing, someone other used before and did not talk about.
>
> But i have never read about anything from your post here, that you ever
used
> those 3 note combinations tuning/calcuating/measuring that way, that when
> played together it should reach a pure state.
>
> Me seems that this is not the first time, you wrote that you do something
> like i do after i posted it to this list.
>
> Please remember:
> When we began discussing P12 here last year, you talked about that you
tune
> a perfect twelfth with measuring the third partial of the lower note of a
> perfect twelfth note with the ETD and tune it to the first partial of the
> upper note of the pure twelfth. The you tune a smaller than pure fifth,
and
> do a "scott´s quadratic interpolation"
>
> After popping into this discussion, i  wrote how i tune the perfect
twelves
> aurally with the help of a major sixth and a double octave+Mthird.
>
> Some weeks later, you posted, "i usually tune the pure twelfth aurally
using
> a major sicth and a double octave+MSixth"
>
> be it like it be,
> if you think my approach is not new, feel free to raise objection at the
> patent process.
>
> regards,
>
> Bernhard
>
>
>
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